Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:46:59 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NY23W-0006f6-OQ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:46:59 -0800 Received: from smtp.messiah.edu ([153.42.64.16]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NY23M-0006cK-MU for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 10:46:54 -0800 Received: from smtp.messiah.edu (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp.messiah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 22A72F80ED for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:46:46 -0500 (EST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=messiah.edu; h=message-id :date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; s=mx1; bh=k9sh5FkpMJ379y2Iapxn0/5zYa w=; b=SmPCVM5gflA6yBAn3vj87eq4ZfA+CqYcLjSh6MUILpAuqMbtW6BKzqcRGs n1KwxXatpF8PuLp9AhpT7i+0tjWZ0W57I2JF2KdZuVWVRQDFhTQtD9vey7kQ2bCR tgGY8z5op15/KbEJy1hvwPYVi5X4n9hQZBDVROGoX80HN96/k= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=messiah.edu; h=message-id :date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s=mx1; b=ljtWNa1VzLv7ahR4GyGt 02fRdB+9sBJCF97ZT2F3nzDYErNuIPmJn+nzKACjNjc3OxDtSp9m0KKmCbZdialM 3jl58fwmHcBYqS2Dv3ezt+eVADKNDxxAUzkWJM0fZSLtg9SOpExmeDuhv6U7EWU2 4zd4EId3ibo7vDhhDVIUEA0= Received: from gwia.messiah.edu (gwia.messiah.edu [153.42.16.62]) by smtp.messiah.edu (Postfix) with ESMTP id 17CF1F80EC for ; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:46:46 -0500 (EST) Received: from MC-DOMAIN-MTA by gwia.messiah.edu with Novell_GroupWise; Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:46:45 -0500 Message-Id: <4B585AB50200002700019194@gwia.messiah.edu> Date: Thu, 21 Jan 2010 13:46:29 -0500 From: "Zachary Felix" To: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Introduction Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=US-ASCII Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline X-archive-position: 2739 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: zf2153@messiah.edu Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 1142 Hello everyone, I am a junior in High School, and I have been trying to learn Lojban for the fun of it recently. I have a friend (a sophmore) with whom I am trying learn, and it is quite fun. I have been using the "What is Lojban?" book to learn, for the most part. We haven't really gotten very far, but there are a couple questions he asked me that I was not positive on from reading the book, and so I thought I'd ask people who know better... I only have one as of now, but I'm sure I'll have more questions later... What is the difference between the contradictory negation "na" and the scalar negation "na'e"? According to the book, "na" is saying that the selbri-relation is false, and "na'e" is saying "other-than", but how are these really different? The only conclusion I came to was that "na'e" is meaning that something else is true, though I think for most cases they would have relatively similar meanings... Anyway, just thought I'd introduce myself and see if I could get any help... if anyone can clear up the matter, I would appreciate it, or if anyone has any tips for learning... Thanks in advance, Zaq Felix