Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:49:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NaKRo-00070E-5L for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:49:32 -0800 Received: from ey-out-1920.google.com ([74.125.78.149]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NaKRh-0006wc-Vk for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:49:29 -0800 Received: by ey-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 4so71726eyg.36 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:49:24 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:date:message-id:subject :from:to:content-type; bh=PAkyvovoNuCfXgs1JNx0Axrb02ybHdpWg/gzrXBQ/lc=; b=WfqM1tI4Pbfk7nluZIuvQgo89CA2sU2vTbmwJoQ5vrK6C99ltAwpG9nbquNiNP/Li8 7521HcdlROh3g5NORz1I3dzqZiKgCC1D7XBbfdJL9wN8glhbyAZ9qm3FdvnYMz/v4USe OJdbWohWwTntL47Vlv6zQ8bQ+/e/bSMGRaY/4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from:to:content-type; b=kyl7dPpQSvrb2lWKXI2K+HtMq6m7hiDjM7wFJOAVxlsjZZ1CUXVJ49S7ovUfOpVDgf +YD7QgVPQJjrYTufgW6BsnyBojiCmm9YiQAmZTVTZIfnd85h73KA7m61hz8IOcDwHVv3 SO3cM1FFhz+KtGsjFqE9rDaKnrOMsLDDq8zY8= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.89.14 with SMTP id b14mr1060057wef.76.1264646963549; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 18:49:23 -0800 (PST) Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2010 21:49:22 -0500 Message-ID: <7177e42e1001271849o782ec540td05bdd005d247b09@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] "Why should I believe that?" From: DataPacRat To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-archive-position: 2748 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: datapacrat@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 836 "Why should I believe that?" is a fairly simple phrase, and the cornerstone of the scientific method and skeptical movement... and I'm having a bit of a time figuring out the Lojban version. The most relevant lujvo or gismu I can find dealing with belief is krici, which is belief /without/ evidence or proof, the exact opposite of the sort of belief I want to deal with. Another way to say the same idea in English is "What evidence supports that [assertion]?", but I'm having trouble figuring out the different lujvo; would ma xu'acmu fi ta translate to something like "What evidence is the basis for asserting that?" Or should I be trying to figure out "velji'i datni" or "sidydatni" mentioned in the entry for datni? Thank you for your time, -- DataPacRat li te'o te'a vei pai pi'i ka'o ve'o su'i pa du li no .i je'a melbi!