Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:01:05 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NaLZ0-0004lf-CX for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:01:04 -0800 Received: from mail-pz0-f185.google.com ([209.85.222.185]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1NaLYr-0004eK-MH for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:01:00 -0800 Received: by pzk15 with SMTP id 15so210132pzk.25 for ; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:00:47 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=domainkey-signature:mime-version:received:in-reply-to:references :from:date:message-id:subject:to:content-type; bh=SI6bR0x6pp4KXD+YD0o9fdnx2kVSKYMT6e+Pr6wHqms=; b=Z3c6/q02JOgxhliyXrkK6Zt8MtfXjvZ7fZl6v1t/f1/I9pGT1u3mZonGixW+eYgGLA 0TT/To+MJOK4CH4pkoQWfHYl+TS9ci1zfMgIYbzvIC5wz8CgMM2Sq21DCH9RK+QOqarx pbl/w/4uJv5FUi6kba0nm5tuG4lfO/mi5YKP4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; b=ErZT0kDtup7/95ZdREPEYcXfNzFgqJfCp3Rginlf2PaCmsBdksWqtfzpPZj+HOHOMl qVZzM/BVP3C0qbOflzAZCv4mi7HE8znWHS88JTv5lgqKvBxgSm6DV9B/wpiZGdQhskLy nh78QcDiCLVTICex47I/+nGpLETmd9IeobPd0= MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.2.29 with SMTP id 29mr891171wfb.99.1264651247133; Wed, 27 Jan 2010 20:00:47 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1a3d02c41001271924i1a48cefq8cf87704a7abc24c@mail.gmail.com> References: <7177e42e1001271849o782ec540td05bdd005d247b09@mail.gmail.com> <1a3d02c41001271924i1a48cefq8cf87704a7abc24c@mail.gmail.com> From: Oren Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2010 12:00:27 +0800 Message-ID: <27513e551001272000n5040fe9xb88513608b33ab35@mail.gmail.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "Why should I believe that?" To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00504502c07859a501047e3190a1 X-archive-position: 2751 X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: get.oren@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Content-Length: 4177 --00504502c07859a501047e3190a1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 could I rearrange the sumti and say... { fe la'edu'i jinvi fo ma } ...to mean "why believe that?" (without specifying me or you or whoever) On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:24, Sam Chapin wrote: > For a start there's {jinvi}, "opine": x1 holds opinion x2 (du'u) about > subject x3 for reason x4. > > > http://www.lojban.org/cgi-bin/dict.pl?Form=dict.pl1&Query=jinvi&Strategy=*&Database=*&submit=Submit+query > > On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 at 9:49 PM, DataPacRat wrote: > >> "Why should I believe that?" is a fairly simple phrase, and the >> cornerstone of the scientific method and skeptical movement... and I'm >> having a bit of a time figuring out the Lojban version. The most >> relevant lujvo or gismu I can find dealing with belief is krici, which >> is belief /without/ evidence or proof, the exact opposite of the sort >> of belief I want to deal with. Another way to say the same idea in >> English is "What evidence supports that [assertion]?", but I'm having >> trouble figuring out the different lujvo; would >> >> ma xu'acmu fi ta >> >> translate to something like "What evidence is the basis for asserting >> that?" >> >> Or should I be trying to figure out "velji'i datni" or "sidydatni" >> mentioned in the entry for datni? >> >> >> Thank you for your time, >> -- >> DataPacRat >> li te'o te'a vei pai pi'i ka'o ve'o su'i pa du li no .i je'a melbi! >> >> >> >> > --00504502c07859a501047e3190a1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
could I rearrange the sumti and say...

= { fe la'edu'i jinvi fo ma }

...to mean &qu= ot;why believe that?" (without specifying me or you or whoever)

On Thu, Jan 28, 2010 at 11:24, Sam Chap= in <not.here= .now@gmail.com> wrote:
For a start there's {jinvi}, "opine": x1 holds opinion x= 2 (du'u) about subject x3 for reason x4.


On Wed, Jan 27, 2010 = at 9:49 PM, DataPacRat <datapacrat@gmail.com> wrote:
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"Why should I believe that?" is a fairly simple phrase, and the cornerstone of the scientific method and skeptical movement... and I'm<= br> having a bit of a time figuring out the Lojban version. The most
relevant lujvo or gismu I can find dealing with belief is krici, which
is belief /without/ evidence or proof, the exact opposite of the sort
of belief I want to deal with. Another way to say the same idea in
English is "What evidence supports that [assertion]?", but I'= m having
trouble figuring out the different lujvo; would

ma xu'acmu fi ta

translate to something like "What evidence is the basis for asserting = that?"

Or should I be trying to figure out "velji'i datni" or "= sidydatni"
mentioned in the entry for datni?


Thank you for your time,
--
DataPacRat
li te'o te'a vei pai pi'i ka'o ve'o su'i pa du li n= o .i je'a melbi!





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