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Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2010 11:35:37 +0000
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Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] mluni and lunra
From: tijlan <jbotijlan@googlemail.com>
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On 15 March 2010 05:22, moorkids@juno.com <moorkids@juno.com> wrote:
> Hi,
> Just wondering ...
>
> Why are both mluni and lunra necessary?
>
> mluni: x1 is a satellite/moon orbiting x2 with characteristics x3, orbita=
l parameters x4
> lunra: x1 is a major natural satellite/moon of planet x2; x1 is Earth's m=
oon [default]
>
> The only difference (I notice) between the x1 and x2 of both is lunra is =
a natural satellite where mluni is any satellite (natural or unnatural). =
=A0Other than that mluni just seems to expand upon lunra. =A0Is the only pu=
rpose for lunra is to specify the "natural" of the satellite (couldn't that=
 be specified in mluni's x3?) and to serve as a default for our moon?
>
> Just something kinda strange I was wondering about. : )

"lunra" is technically redundant, since a natural satellite can be
expressed as "rarmluni" (rarna-mluni), the Earth's moon as "tedmluni"
(terdi-mluni); and "lunra" has no unique sumti place compared to
"mluni". It's like "nixli" (girl) and "nanla" (boy), which can be
expressed as "fetci'o/fetyve'a" and "nakci'o/nakyve'a" respectively;
and "-ve'a" from "verba" has the same pattern of place structure as
"nixli/nanla", so these two specific gismu don't really offer much of
anything semantic-wise.


mu'o mi'e tijlan