Received: from mail-gy0-f189.google.com ([209.85.160.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3Zc-ySwoJEDMhjdbXRWgXhVbPXa.RdbadYQPc-QTVXccTghVddVaTVgdjeh.Rdb@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NwpXj-0002ro-6e for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:28:44 -0700 Received: by gyd5 with SMTP id 5sf19489420gyd.16 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:28:32 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:received :message-id:date:from:to:reply-to:subject:in-reply-to:x-mailer :mime-version:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=0bpGT0KXmmKNI3AMWK6PKrzEg0Pt+sBE2ol/YphzEek=; b=Wz9p6g2yr0sH+0gFuVmMCXj0Ht0HCqAsMGdDxNmkSK9wZEx6dH1n+gtT5in2lzegCQ eXPowougenaNwhC2UWknzYGYqjAs0OAXQ8l6OTLCXB56Sak4/A06RBi+XjuSWWCon0XS ZxjDeIni24QMaR5WKEtg2Gj4ll3erW1Slw28o= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:message-id:date:from:to:reply-to:subject :in-reply-to:x-mailer:mime-version:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post :list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=n4hEQNjsdS5Qi9JvdCN7aNBTzKOSA+aSmBVXnYg/lo6s1/J+byS0xvv599HQdO8O+W ewEeVqI1fxP/gdeqf355qqvubUcvsDR7u6lTdVeRx0wsDMKNjK6vCbPROFSJA1B+soxm cTS3DBcWbW7RD/nqKe2BhlKQaKuAYY+qVLmKQ= Received: by 10.101.5.7 with SMTP id h7mr168021ani.16.1270009701136; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:28:21 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.101.147.38 with SMTP id z38ls63085ann.6.p; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:28:20 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.137.8 with SMTP id p8mr3391164ann.5.1270009699853; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 21:28:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.20.28 with SMTP id 28mr5675653agt.7.1270002812874; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:33:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.20.28 with SMTP id 28mr5675651agt.7.1270002812743; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:33:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f189.google.com (mail-yx0-f189.google.com [209.85.210.189]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si277747yxe.3.2010.03.30.19.33.31; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.189 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.189; Received: by yxe27 with SMTP id 27so1825231yxe.17 for ; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.106.1 with SMTP id i1mr1524686anm.24.1270002811510; Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:33:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from www.palm.com (72-62-43-190.pools.spcsdns.net [72.62.43.190]) by mx.google.com with ESMTPS id 8sm1525287yxg.31.2010.03.30.19.33.27 (version=SSLv3 cipher=RC4-MD5); Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:33:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <4bb2b47a.8802be0a.0ff1.7296@mx.google.com> Date: Tue, 30 Mar 2010 19:33:24 -0700 From: "Christopher Doty" To: "lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com" Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] smart.fm flashcards In-Reply-To: <4BB2B37B.7080203@gmail.com> X-Mailer: Palm webOS v1.0.1 MIME-Version: 1.0 X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.189 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=suomichris@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: suomichris@gmail.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/6c147d83491c81ae X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/4e540849a490b243 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=Alternative__boundary__1270002809206 Content-Length: 9326 --Alternative__boundary__1270002809206 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had gone through the first 200 or so gismu on quizlet recently, and it wo= uld appear that the gismu on smart.fm are in roughly (but not exa= ctly) the same order. Chris -- Sent from my Palm Pre On Mar 30, 2010 19:29, Leo Molas <leos.molas@gmail.com> wrote:=20 El 30/03/2010 07:31 p.m., Robin Lee Powell escribi=F3: > As far as I know, it can do neither of those things. >=20 > -Robin >=20 > On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 12:17:16PM -0700, Christopher Doty wrote: >> This is pretty fun, and far more effective, I think, than quizlet.= com! >> >> One thought--I don't know if this is (easily) change-able, but whe= n it asks >> multiple choice questions, it gives options like, say, "lo cusku, = lo melbi, >> lo te nelci," etc. Since the gismu in each "chunk" seems to be th= e same, it >> would be easy to pick out the right one without actually learning = the rest >> of the place structures. This could be made a bit harder by havin= g, for >> each gismu, all of the options that are only for that gismu. So, = "cusku" >> would have multiple choice answers "lo cusku, lo se cusku, lo te c= usku, lo >> ve cusku," so that you'd really have to learn the various places a= nd what >> they mean. >> >> But, yeah, fun! >> >> I do agree that we should get more people to record stuff so that = there is >> not only a real human voice in there, but it would also be awesome= if >> smart.fm could randomly pull any one from a list of sound files so= people >> could hear some variability. >> >> Chris >> >> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 09:18, Leo Molas <leos.molas@gmail.com&= gt; wrote: >> >>> El 30/03/2010 11:34 a.m., Jonathan Jones escribi=F3: >>>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Leo Molas <leos.molas@= gmail.com >>>> <mailto:leos.molas@gmail.com>> wrote: >>>> >>>> El 29/03/2010 06:03 p.m., Robin Lee Powell escribi=F3: >>>> > <snip>perhaps we should keep a record of th= e already >>>> recorded words. >>>> >>>> >>>> The list that was used to create the lessons is located at= : >>>> http://tinyurl.com/simplifiedgismu, you're >>>> welcome to use it for that purpose. >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>> >>> >>> Great. I'll do that. >>> >>> BTW, I don't really like the "expanded" lessons, with "lo", "l= o se", so, >>> I hope anyone minds if I only do gismu's. >>> >>> -- >>> My lojban journal: http://learninglojban.wordpress.com >>> My personal blog: http://leomolas.tumblr.com >>> >>> >> >> --=20 >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google= Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups= .com. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+uns= ubscribe@googlegroups.com. >> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/gro= up/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. >> >=20 And what about making subsets of the gismu are more often used? I think quizlet.com had something like that (and it would be really great, in order to not force newbies - like me - to memorize odd gismu) mu'o mi'e .leos. --=20 My lojban journal: http://learninglojban.wordpress.com My personal blog: http://leomolas.tumblr.com --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --Alternative__boundary__1270002809206 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I had gone through the first 200 or so gismu on quizlet recently, and it wo= uld appear that the gismu on = smart.fm are in roughly (but not exactly) the same order.

C= hris

-- Sent from my Palm Pre

On Mar 30, 2010 19:29, Leo Molas <leos.mol= as@gmail.com> wrote:

El 30/03/2010 07:31 p.m., Robin Lee Powell = escribi=F3:
> As far as I know, it can do neither of those things.
>=20
> -Robin
>=20
> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 12:17:16PM -0700, Christopher Doty wrote:
>> This is pretty fun, and far more effective, I think, than quiz= let.com!
>>
>> One thought--I don't know if this is (easily) change-able, but= when it asks
>> multiple choice questions, it gives options like, say, "lo cus= ku, lo melbi,
>> lo te nelci," etc. Since the gismu in each "chunk" seems to b= e the same, it
>> would be easy to pick out the right one without actually learn= ing the rest
>> of the place structures. This could be made a bit harder by h= aving, for
>> each gismu, all of the options that are only for that gismu. = So, "cusku"
>> would have multiple choice answers "lo cusku, lo se cusku, lo = te cusku, lo
>> ve cusku," so that you'd really have to learn the various plac= es and what
>> they mean.
>>
>> But, yeah, fun!
>>
>> I do agree that we should get more people to record stuff so t= hat there is
>> not only a real human voice in there, but it would also be awe= some if
>> smart.fm could randomly pull any one from a list of sound file= s so people
>> could hear some variability.
>>
>> Chris
>>
>> On Tue, Mar 30, 2010 at 09:18, Leo Molas <leos.molas@gmail.= com> wrote:
>>
>>> El 30/03/2010 11:34 a.m., Jonathan Jones escribi=F3:
>>>> On Mon, Mar 29, 2010 at 3:19 PM, Leo Molas <leos.mo= las@gmail.com
>>>> <mailto:leos.molas@gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> El 29/03/2010 06:03 p.m., Robin Lee Powell escribi= =F3:
>>>> > <snip>perhaps we should keep a record o= f the already
>>>> recorded words.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> The list that was used to create the lessons is locate= d at:
>>>> http://tinyurl.com/simplifiedgismu, you're
>>>> welcome to use it for that purpose.
>>>>
>>>> --
>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>>>>
>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>>>
>>>
>>> Great. I'll do that.
>>>
>>> BTW, I don't really like the "expanded" lessons, with "lo"= , "lo se", so,
>>> I hope anyone minds if I only do gismu's.
>>>
>>> --
>>> My lojban journal: http://learninglojban.wordpress.com
>>> My personal blog: http://leomolas.tumblr.com
>>>
>>>
>>
>> --=20
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>> For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com= /group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den.
>>
>=20

And what about making subsets of the gismu are more often used? I think
quizlet.com had something like that (and it would be really great, in
order to not force newbies - like me - to memorize odd gismu)

mu'o mi'e .leos.

--=20
My lojban journal: http://learninglojban.wordpress.com
My personal blog: http://leomolas.tumblr.com

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