Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3zia4SwoJEPgxztrnhmwnxlrfnq.htrqtogfs-gjlnssjwxlttlqjlwtzux.htr@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1NyIbp-0006rb-2L for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 22:43:01 -0700 Received: by vws5 with SMTP id 5sf4652647vws.16 for ; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 22:42:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:from :date:received:message-id:subject:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=ckWLEBLASKe3C2NpBJN0GTa3Uka9ivEICY1jdzd3828=; b=QMs7zkZe2lUOyIxAb8fd82XHp+iHv4KxiUXtmIi22K4k+WvG8TLSzH9sUxziwjIAxf S5LtDmqe0z5txklEEnrRh99DlkbM6Zg8lrpmFJ6xisfIFGtKfanmcH7L3ZHKaFx71hxU MPzvSeiSlagaoHV2WO4tKyKKZLLjjVlkbHNHY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:from:date:message-id:subject :to:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; b=2pCO7j8LQONdo0DqqGeCMDK+7a/g91DYn7vNuhaEjU+EQQxeDsD8DjW59Uel2bOQIQ R7wL9K01kdVD/2zPKahp3R0BuSRGKBveDMrJm4UrzmSs8/g9kWMAAUpzw61AoOm6+paa d1Pakr5bZMmV/igF97TodLszJRTBvXLJjdSyY= Received: by 10.220.83.91 with SMTP id e27mr324646vcl.44.1270359758844; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 22:42:38 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.68.217 with SMTP id w25ls931847vci.1.p; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 22:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.159.70 with SMTP id i6mr1110337vcx.15.1270359757798; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 22:42:37 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.2.6 with SMTP id 6mr6250649agb.12.1270312692319; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 09:38:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.90.2.6 with SMTP id 6mr6250648agb.12.1270312692290; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 09:38:12 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gy0-f170.google.com (mail-gy0-f170.google.com [209.85.160.170]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si183342yxe.7.2010.04.03.09.38.11; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 09:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.170 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.160.170; Received: by gyf2 with SMTP id 2so1353097gyf.1 for ; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 09:38:11 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.100.5.20 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Apr 2010 09:37:51 -0700 (PDT) From: Christopher Doty Date: Sat, 3 Apr 2010 09:37:51 -0700 Received: by 10.100.233.7 with SMTP id f7mr8395952anh.91.1270312691089; Sat, 03 Apr 2010 09:38:11 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Question about ordering of predicate-places To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of suomichris@gmail.com designates 209.85.160.170 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=suomichris@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: suomichris@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/a21cade818909636 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/cc78370ee1517c02 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636b2b159b4c193048357b8e1 Content-Length: 2314 --001636b2b159b4c193048357b8e1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 In trying to really get a handle on the various places of different gismu, I'm wondering what logic, if any, is present in the ordering of the places? I don't mean this to imply that the ordering isn't logical, I'm just wondering if there are patterns I haven't noticed yet that might be helpful. E.g.: For movement gismu, is origin always before destination? For container gismu, is the thing contained always before the material of the container? Etc. Are there patterns like this in the gismu structures that might help in learning and memorizing? Thanks, Chris -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --001636b2b159b4c193048357b8e1 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable In trying to really get a handle on the various places of different gismu, = I'm wondering what logic, if any, is present in the ordering of the pla= ces? =A0I don't mean this to imply that the ordering isn't logical,= I'm just wondering if there are patterns I haven't noticed yet tha= t might be helpful. =A0E.g.:

For movement gismu, is origin always before destination?
For container gismu, is the thing contained always before the materi= al of the container?
Etc.

Are there patt= erns like this in the gismu structures that might help in learning and memo= rizing?

Thanks,

Chris

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