Received: from mail-yx0-f140.google.com ([209.85.210.140]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0Ibc-00054R-V8 for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:07:06 -0700 Received: by yxe4 with SMTP id 4sf1658060yxe.28 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:06:54 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=G99L3lmEhZu+UOEfQ0veQhX1syRDUdHfaf7lcn7cUEk=; b=WA2oW5QkCnckEY4Zomm9Z1GnQuvbxa0tTHwj65W5aYpVhAdgivJN3jU+UpVhrR2ilR tX/yDAjsfEFECLFshDcGgsTNSDynbPdd/oOHPix3ooCMjfXzKHBcYPWR5eVQJA4Lm8DT V8JU4YZkqeiLy8c/pCuU08dDJbn7AnIZtCkCU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=DBIn+rdto0gIkDSdLMrJqa+/0W/D3y6CMZqt+rvJ9xuBYMDi8biAy6HZO5efCgQx2O E+fN2e4xQUaPFshNGPfEYj6681+u+Zaql63llnX/tP3YKHOXkPcvIkzf0N6V+RT3MGd/ DjcGgeDYm7cD7DLCg88pOYUVpLRZedZ/9yeBk= Received: by 10.91.90.9 with SMTP id s9mr116406agl.13.1270836400153; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:06:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.6.87 with SMTP id 23ls360948bky.0.p; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.161.203 with SMTP id s11mr28331bkx.36.1270836396777; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.161.203 with SMTP id s11mr28330bkx.36.1270836396714; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:06:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f49.google.com (mail-ww0-f49.google.com [74.125.82.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id v26si1683010bkt.7.2010.04.09.11.06.35; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.49; Received: by mail-ww0-f49.google.com with SMTP id 30so833704wwg.36 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:06:35 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.30.146 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 11:06:35 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <4BB47D32.3000306@perpetuum-immobile.de> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 12:06:35 -0600 Received: by 10.216.88.16 with SMTP id z16mr209674wee.126.1270836395467; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 11:06:35 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] smart.fm conflicts: gasnu and rinka From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.49 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/7e1a2563d41bc1e4 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/f7e6d13ffd850e96 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d63fe0eb68010483d1a74d Content-Length: 12651 --0016e6d63fe0eb68010483d1a74d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I was finally able to fix this. Took forever and three days, but it's good now. I used your suggestion for {lo te rinka}, by the way. On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > Hey Robin, has this problem been fixed, or are you having the same problems > loading the edit page I am? > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: > >> I've got no problems with that. The only "pattern" on Smart.fm is that >> every entry contains the gismu's keyword. So {lo se klama}, for example, is >> "a destination gone to", as opposed to merely "a destination". >> >> >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:15 PM, MorphemeAddict wrote: >> >>> Perhaps "an effect caused" (lo se rinka) matches some general pattern on >>> smart.fm, but it seems it would be more normal as "a caused effect". >>> >>> stevo >>> >>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>> >>>> Okay, so I'm completely unable to make the changes myself. I just >>>> spent 1:20 waiting for Smart.fm to load, and it never got past 61%. However, >>>> after looking at the full definitions of gunka and rinka as they are in the >>>> gismu list, this is my decision regarding the duplication: >>>> >>>> Gunka to be left as is. >>>> >>>> Rinka: >>>> rinka - x1 causes effect x2 under conditions x3 >>>> lo rinka - an effect's cause >>>> lo se rinka - an effect caused >>>> lo te rinka - a condition of an effect >>>> Unless anyone has a better idea, someone (,this probably means Robin,) >>>> will make the above change at some point in the hopefully not-too-distant >>>> future. Would that I could do it, this would already have happened. >>>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Jonathan Jones wrote: >>>> >>>>> Good job finding that duplication. I'll take a look. >>>>> >>>>> On 4/1/10, Timo Paulssen wrote: >>>>> > Heya, >>>>> > >>>>> > I didn't feel like I should just go ahead and edit items by myself, >>>>> so I >>>>> > decided to ask first. >>>>> > lo rinka - a cause >>>>> > lo gasnu - a cause >>>>> > lo se rinka - something caused >>>>> > lo se gasnu - something caused >>>>> > >>>>> > i'd say lo gasnu should become "a causer" (not an agent, that would >>>>> be >>>>> > lo zukte) and lo se gasnu could become "something brought about" (as >>>>> > vensa suggested). >>>>> > >>>>> > Thoughts? >>>>> > mu'o mi'e timos >>>>> > >>>>> > -- >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>>> Groups >>>>> > "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to >>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>>> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>>>> . >>>>> > For more options, visit this group at >>>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>>> > >>>>> > >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> -- >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>>> >>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >>>> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. >>>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>>> . >>>> For more options, visit this group at >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>>> >>> >>> -- >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. >>> To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com >>> . >>> For more options, visit this group at >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. >>> >> >> >> >> -- >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. >> >> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu >> >> > > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0016e6d63fe0eb68010483d1a74d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I was finally able to fix this. Took forever and three days, but it's g= ood now. I used your suggestion for {lo te rinka}, by the way.

On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com= > wrote:
Hey Robin, has th= is problem been fixed, or are you having the same problems loading the edit= page I am?


On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Jonathan Jones = <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
I've got no p= roblems with that. The only "pattern" on Smart.fm is that every e= ntry contains the gismu's keyword. So {lo=A0se klama}, for example, is = "a=A0destination gone to", as opposed to merely "a destinati= on".=20


On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:15 PM, MorphemeAddict <= span dir=3D"ltr"><lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
Perhaps "an effect caused" (lo se rinka) matches some genera= l pattern on smart.fm, b= ut it seems it would be more normal as "a caused effect".
=A0
stevo

On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Jones <<= a href=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">eyeonus@gmail.com= > wrote:
Okay, so I'm completely unable to make the changes myself. I just = spent 1:20 waiting for Smart.fm to load, and it never got past 61%. However= , after looking at the full definitions of gunka and rinka as they are in t= he gismu list, this is my decision regarding the duplication:
=A0
Gunka to be left as is.
=A0
Rinka:
rinka=A0-=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0 =A0 x1 causes effect x2 under conditions x= 3
lo rinka=A0-=A0=A0=A0=A0=A0an effect's cause
lo se rinka=A0-=A0= an effect caused
lo te rinka=A0-=A0=A0a condition of an effect
Unless anyone has a better idea, someone (,this probably means Robin,)= will make the above change at some point in the hopefully not-too-distant = future. Would that I could do it, this would already have happened.
On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Jonathan Jones <= span dir=3D"ltr"><eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
Good job finding = that duplication. I'll take a look.

On 4/1/10, Timo Paulssen <timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de> wro= te:
> Heya,
>
> I didn't feel like I should just go a= head and edit items by myself, so I
> decided to ask first.
> lo rinka - a cause
> lo gasnu - a = cause
> lo se rinka - something caused
> lo se gasnu - somethin= g caused
>
> i'd say lo gasnu should become "a causer&= quot; (not an agent, that would be
> lo zukte) and lo se gasnu could become "something brought about&q= uot; (as
> vensa suggested).
>
> Thoughts?
> mu'= ;o mi'e timos
>
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