Received: from mail-gw0-f61.google.com ([74.125.83.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0LSZ-0003dt-PF for lojban-beginners-archive@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:09:56 -0700 Received: by gwj21 with SMTP id 21sf1752798gwj.16 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:09:45 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=okoD2l7aVSEaFdl/h6IiXtfZlzyGmqQL/DxrEfB2Yps=; b=5a2V+1rQ5Kvz2yA4piqGRyryx16S+ZojTm52UIXg7TAz3TNfjp3dYd6wxG9laIC6gt AkjZl9kABsG6BV3bbWc4gDlJAkSyI6ZVrqnD7Cvg9HF/KLEib+W24p6u1w/EcaaIubYv 64zP5MQwxhPh9LmN3Eo5FWIc3ZufFb67fY++0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=r3SlpPsiBho3PBNWiu4EUT9l2IaMNzLepNebtP8mirYZ3py7IBr3gSaTqkYhVoJCoT jMs8PWlLyUmepTlxHzruM1Ni/sS5Y3vEKPavAw/p1ZqG+hMo8/zJVJXxYmCMBNQHEcEQ anqpji01zsyLSlzOsOyuSTEPTIo+WJUVOsFBQ= Received: by 10.91.49.16 with SMTP id b16mr157545agk.8.1270847372286; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:09:32 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.204.6.77 with SMTP id 13ls421060bky.3.p; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:09:30 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.162.203 with SMTP id w11mr48607bkx.12.1270847369797; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.204.162.203 with SMTP id w11mr48606bkx.12.1270847369744; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:09:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-ww0-f42.google.com (mail-ww0-f42.google.com [74.125.82.42]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id h3si1858049bke.4.2010.04.09.14.09.28; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.42 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.82.42; Received: by mail-ww0-f42.google.com with SMTP id 18so1218925wwi.29 for ; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:09:28 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.216.30.146 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Apr 2010 14:09:28 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20100409204000.GH11541@digitalkingdom.org> References: <4BB47D32.3000306@perpetuum-immobile.de> <20100409204000.GH11541@digitalkingdom.org> Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 15:09:28 -0600 Received: by 10.216.172.71 with SMTP id s49mr321752wel.195.1270847368344; Fri, 09 Apr 2010 14:09:28 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] smart.fm conflicts: gasnu and rinka From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.42 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/7e1a2563d41bc1e4 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/82f305f3c3dcf158 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e65c7caaf4338f0483d435a7 Content-Length: 20336 --0016e65c7caaf4338f0483d435a7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > Sorry I didn't get in on this; been busy with other stuff, as I'm > sure you've noticed. > > I changed "lo gasnu" to "a causer", because the important thing > about gasnu is that it's agentive. I'd like to make "lo se gasnu" > into "something caused by an agent", but the edit screen won't come > up for that. > > Sure is nice to have the search; too bad it's such a giant hog; I > can only make it work reliably in FF. > Agreed. It very nearly kills my processor. I was able to pull up all four of the rinka items by just putting "rinka" in the search text- maybe that'll help? > > -Robin > > On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 12:06:35PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > I was finally able to fix this. Took forever and three days, but it's > good > > now. I used your suggestion for {lo te rinka}, by the way. > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Jonathan Jones > wrote: > > > > > Hey Robin, has this problem been fixed, or are you having the same > problems > > > loading the edit page I am? > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Jonathan Jones > wrote: > > > > > >> I've got no problems with that. The only "pattern" on Smart.fm is that > > >> every entry contains the gismu's keyword. So {lo se klama}, for > example, is > > >> "a destination gone to", as opposed to merely "a destination". > > >> > > >> > > >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:15 PM, MorphemeAddict > wrote: > > >> > > >>> Perhaps "an effect caused" (lo se rinka) matches some general pattern > on > > >>> smart.fm, but it seems it would be more normal as "a caused effect". > > >>> > > >>> stevo > > >>> > > >>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Jones >wrote: > > >>> > > >>>> Okay, so I'm completely unable to make the changes myself. I just > > >>>> spent 1:20 waiting for Smart.fm to load, and it never got past 61%. > However, > > >>>> after looking at the full definitions of gunka and rinka as they are > in the > > >>>> gismu list, this is my decision regarding the duplication: > > >>>> > > >>>> Gunka to be left as is. > > >>>> > > >>>> Rinka: > > >>>> rinka - x1 causes effect x2 under conditions x3 > > >>>> lo rinka - an effect's cause > > >>>> lo se rinka - an effect caused > > >>>> lo te rinka - a condition of an effect > > >>>> Unless anyone has a better idea, someone (,this probably means > Robin,) > > >>>> will make the above change at some point in the hopefully > not-too-distant > > >>>> future. Would that I could do it, this would already have happened. > > >>>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Jonathan Jones < > eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote: > > >>>> > > >>>>> Good job finding that duplication. I'll take a look. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> On 4/1/10, Timo Paulssen wrote: > > >>>>> > Heya, > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > I didn't feel like I should just go ahead and edit items by > myself, > > >>>>> so I > > >>>>> > decided to ask first. > > >>>>> > lo rinka - a cause > > >>>>> > lo gasnu - a cause > > >>>>> > lo se rinka - something caused > > >>>>> > lo se gasnu - something caused > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > i'd say lo gasnu should become "a causer" (not an agent, that > would > > >>>>> be > > >>>>> > lo zukte) and lo se gasnu could become "something brought about" > (as > > >>>>> > vensa suggested). > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > Thoughts? > > >>>>> > mu'o mi'e timos > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > -- > > >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > > >>>>> Groups > > >>>>> > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to > > >>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >>>>> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > > > > >>>>> . > > >>>>> > For more options, visit this group at > > >>>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > > >>>>> > > >>>>> > > >>>>> -- > > >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > >>>>> > > >>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > >>>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > >>>> > > >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > >>>> > > >>>> -- > > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > > >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > > >>>> To post to this group, send email to > lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > > > > >>>> . > > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > >>>> > > >>> > > >>> -- > > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. > > >>> To post to this group, send email to > lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > > > > >>> . > > >>> For more options, visit this group at > > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > >>> > > >> > > >> > > >> > > >> -- > > >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > >> > > >> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > >> > > >> > > > > > > > > > -- > > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > -- > They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." > And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something > other than the default outcome?" 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On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Robin Lee Powell= <rlpow= ell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
Sorry I didn't get in on this; been busy with other stuff, as I'm sure you've noticed.

I changed "lo gasnu" to "a causer", because the importa= nt thing
about gasnu is that it's agentive. =A0I'd like to make "lo se = gasnu"
into "something caused by an agent", but the edit screen won'= t come
up for that.

Sure is nice to have the search; too bad it's such a giant hog; I
can only make it work reliably in FF.

Agreed. It v= ery nearly kills my processor. I was able to pull up all four of the rinka = items by just putting "rinka" in the search text- maybe that'= ll help?

-Robin

On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 12:06:35PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> I was finally able to fix this. Took forever and three days, but it= 9;s good
> now. I used your suggestion for {lo te rinka}, by the way.
>
> On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > Hey Robin, has this problem been fixed, or are you having the sam= e problems
> > loading the edit page I am?
> >
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >> I've got no problems with that. The only "pattern&qu= ot; on Smart.fm is that
> >> every entry contains the gismu's keyword. So {lo se klama= }, for example, is
> >> "a destination gone to", as opposed to merely "= ;a destination".
> >>
> >>
> >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:15 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com> wrote:
> >>
> >>> Perhaps "an effect caused" (lo se rinka) matche= s some general pattern on
> >>> smart.fm, but it seems it would be more normal as "a caused effect".
> >>>
> >>> stevo
> >>>
> >>> =A0 On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
> >>>
> >>>> =A0 Okay, so I'm completely unable to make the ch= anges myself. I just
> >>>> spent 1:20 waiting for Smart.fm to load, and it never= got past 61%. However,
> >>>> after looking at the full definitions of gunka and ri= nka as they are in the
> >>>> gismu list, this is my decision regarding the duplica= tion:
> >>>>
> >>>> Gunka to be left as is.
> >>>>
> >>>> Rinka:
> >>>> rinka - =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x1 causes effect x2 under con= ditions x3
> >>>> lo rinka - =A0 =A0 an effect's cause
> >>>> lo se rinka - an effect caused
> >>>> lo te rinka - =A0a condition of an effect
> >>>> Unless anyone has a better idea, someone (,this proba= bly means Robin,)
> >>>> will make the above change at some point in the hopef= ully not-too-distant
> >>>> future. Would that I could do it, this would already = have happened.
> >>>> =A0 =A0 On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Jonathan Jone= s <eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:<= br> > >>>>
> >>>>> Good job finding that duplication. I'll take = a look.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> On 4/1/10, Timo Paulssen <timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de> wrot= e:
> >>>>> > Heya,
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > I didn't feel like I should just go ahea= d and edit items by myself,
> >>>>> so I
> >>>>> > decided to ask first.
> >>>>> > lo rinka - a cause
> >>>>> > lo gasnu - a cause
> >>>>> > lo se rinka - something caused
> >>>>> > lo se gasnu - something caused
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > i'd say lo gasnu should become "a c= auser" (not an agent, that would
> >>>>> be
> >>>>> > lo zukte) and lo se gasnu could become "= ;something brought about" (as
> >>>>> > vensa suggested).
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > Thoughts?
> >>>>> > mu'o mi'e timos
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> > --
> >>>>> > You received this message because you are su= bscribed to the Google
> >>>>> Groups
> >>>>> > "Lojban Beginners" group.
> >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to
> >>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
> >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email t= o
> >>>>> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroup= s.com<lojban-beginners%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com>
> >>>>> .
> >>>>> > For more options, visit this group at
> >>>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/lo= jban-beginners?hl=3Den.
> >>>>> >
> >>>>> >
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>> =A0--
> >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >>>>>
> >>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu<= br> > >>>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>> --
> >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >>>>
> >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >>>>
> >>>> --
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> >>
> >>
> >>
> >> --
> >> =A0mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >>
> >> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >>
> >>
> >
> >
> > --
> > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> >
> > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> >
> >
>
>
> --
> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
>
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