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Date: Fri, 9 Apr 2010 14:13:19 -0700
From: Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org>
To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com
Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] smart.fm conflicts: gasnu and rinka
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Yeah, but "lo se gasnu" still won't work for me.  Everything else
seems to.

-Robin

On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 03:09:28PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
> 
> > Sorry I didn't get in on this; been busy with other stuff, as I'm
> > sure you've noticed.
> >
> > I changed "lo gasnu" to "a causer", because the important thing
> > about gasnu is that it's agentive.  I'd like to make "lo se gasnu"
> > into "something caused by an agent", but the edit screen won't come
> > up for that.
> >
> > Sure is nice to have the search; too bad it's such a giant hog; I
> > can only make it work reliably in FF.
> >
> 
> Agreed. It very nearly kills my processor. I was able to pull up all four of
> the rinka items by just putting "rinka" in the search text- maybe that'll
> help?
> 
> >
> > -Robin
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 12:06:35PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> > > I was finally able to fix this. Took forever and three days, but it's
> > good
> > > now. I used your suggestion for {lo te rinka}, by the way.
> > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey Robin, has this problem been fixed, or are you having the same
> > problems
> > > > loading the edit page I am?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I've got no problems with that. The only "pattern" on Smart.fm is that
> > > >> every entry contains the gismu's keyword. So {lo se klama}, for
> > example, is
> > > >> "a destination gone to", as opposed to merely "a destination".
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:15 PM, MorphemeAddict <lytlesw@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Perhaps "an effect caused" (lo se rinka) matches some general pattern
> > on
> > > >>> smart.fm, but it seems it would be more normal as "a caused effect".
> > > >>>
> > > >>> stevo
> > > >>>
> > > >>>   On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>>   Okay, so I'm completely unable to make the changes myself. I just
> > > >>>> spent 1:20 waiting for Smart.fm to load, and it never got past 61%.
> > However,
> > > >>>> after looking at the full definitions of gunka and rinka as they are
> > in the
> > > >>>> gismu list, this is my decision regarding the duplication:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Gunka to be left as is.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Rinka:
> > > >>>> rinka -         x1 causes effect x2 under conditions x3
> > > >>>> lo rinka -     an effect's cause
> > > >>>> lo se rinka - an effect caused
> > > >>>> lo te rinka -  a condition of an effect
> > > >>>> Unless anyone has a better idea, someone (,this probably means
> > Robin,)
> > > >>>> will make the above change at some point in the hopefully
> > not-too-distant
> > > >>>> future. Would that I could do it, this would already have happened.
> > > >>>>     On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Jonathan Jones <
> > eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Good job finding that duplication. I'll take a look.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On 4/1/10, Timo Paulssen <timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de> wrote:
> > > >>>>> > Heya,
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> > I didn't feel like I should just go ahead and edit items by
> > myself,
> > > >>>>> so I
> > > >>>>> > decided to ask first.
> > > >>>>> > lo rinka - a cause
> > > >>>>> > lo gasnu - a cause
> > > >>>>> > lo se rinka - something caused
> > > >>>>> > lo se gasnu - something caused
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> > i'd say lo gasnu should become "a causer" (not an agent, that
> > would
> > > >>>>> be
> > > >>>>> > lo zukte) and lo se gasnu could become "something brought about"
> > (as
> > > >>>>> > vensa suggested).
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> > Thoughts?
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