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Maybe it's spelled worng? Or isn't in the list anymore (accidentally deleted)? On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 3:13 PM, Robin Lee Powell < rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > Yeah, but "lo se gasnu" still won't work for me. Everything else > seems to. > > -Robin > > On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 03:09:28PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Robin Lee Powell < > > rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote: > > > > > Sorry I didn't get in on this; been busy with other stuff, as I'm > > > sure you've noticed. > > > > > > I changed "lo gasnu" to "a causer", because the important thing > > > about gasnu is that it's agentive. I'd like to make "lo se gasnu" > > > into "something caused by an agent", but the edit screen won't come > > > up for that. > > > > > > Sure is nice to have the search; too bad it's such a giant hog; I > > > can only make it work reliably in FF. > > > > > > > Agreed. It very nearly kills my processor. I was able to pull up all four > of > > the rinka items by just putting "rinka" in the search text- maybe that'll > > help? > > > > > > > > -Robin > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 12:06:35PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > > I was finally able to fix this. Took forever and three days, but it's > > > good > > > > now. I used your suggestion for {lo te rinka}, by the way. > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Jonathan Jones > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > Hey Robin, has this problem been fixed, or are you having the same > > > problems > > > > > loading the edit page I am? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Jonathan Jones > > > > wrote: > > > > > > > > > >> I've got no problems with that. The only "pattern" on Smart.fm is > that > > > > >> every entry contains the gismu's keyword. So {lo se klama}, for > > > example, is > > > > >> "a destination gone to", as opposed to merely "a destination". > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:15 PM, MorphemeAddict > > > > wrote: > > > > >> > > > > >>> Perhaps "an effect caused" (lo se rinka) matches some general > pattern > > > on > > > > >>> smart.fm, but it seems it would be more normal as "a caused > effect". > > > > >>> > > > > >>> stevo > > > > >>> > > > > >>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Jones < > eyeonus@gmail.com > > > >wrote: > > > > >>> > > > > >>>> Okay, so I'm completely unable to make the changes myself. I > just > > > > >>>> spent 1:20 waiting for Smart.fm to load, and it never got past > 61%. > > > However, > > > > >>>> after looking at the full definitions of gunka and rinka as they > are > > > in the > > > > >>>> gismu list, this is my decision regarding the duplication: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Gunka to be left as is. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> Rinka: > > > > >>>> rinka - x1 causes effect x2 under conditions x3 > > > > >>>> lo rinka - an effect's cause > > > > >>>> lo se rinka - an effect caused > > > > >>>> lo te rinka - a condition of an effect > > > > >>>> Unless anyone has a better idea, someone (,this probably means > > > Robin,) > > > > >>>> will make the above change at some point in the hopefully > > > not-too-distant > > > > >>>> future. Would that I could do it, this would already have > happened. > > > > >>>> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Jonathan Jones < > > > eyeonus@gmail.com>wrote: > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>>> Good job finding that duplication. I'll take a look. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> On 4/1/10, Timo Paulssen > wrote: > > > > >>>>> > Heya, > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > I didn't feel like I should just go ahead and edit items by > > > myself, > > > > >>>>> so I > > > > >>>>> > decided to ask first. > > > > >>>>> > lo rinka - a cause > > > > >>>>> > lo gasnu - a cause > > > > >>>>> > lo se rinka - something caused > > > > >>>>> > lo se gasnu - something caused > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > i'd say lo gasnu should become "a causer" (not an agent, that > > > would > > > > >>>>> be > > > > >>>>> > lo zukte) and lo se gasnu could become "something brought > about" > > > (as > > > > >>>>> > vensa suggested). > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > Thoughts? > > > > >>>>> > mu'o mi'e timos > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > -- > > > > >>>>> > You received this message because you are subscribed to the > > > Google > > > > >>>>> Groups > > > > >>>>> > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > > >>>>> > To post to this group, send email to > > > > >>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > > > >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > >>>>> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>>> . > > > > >>>>> > For more options, visit this group at > > > > >>>>> > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> -- > > > > >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > > > >>>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> -- > > > > >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > > > >>>> > > > > >>>> -- > > > > >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > > > > >>>> Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > > >>>> To post to this group, send email to > > > lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > > > >>>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > >>>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>> . > > > > >>>> For more options, visit this group at > > > > >>>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > >>>> > > > > >>> > > > > >>> -- > > > > >>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the > Google > > > Groups > > > > >>> "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > > >>> To post to this group, send email to > > > lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > > > >>> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > > >>> lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>> . > > > > >>> For more options, visit this group at > > > > >>> http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > >>> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > >> -- > > > > >> mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > >> > > > > >> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > > > > > > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > > > > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > > > > > > > -- > > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > > To post to this group, send email to > lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > > > > > . > > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > > > > > -- > > > They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." > > > And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something > > > other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > > > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ > *** > > > http://www.lojban.org/ > > > > > > -- > > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google > Groups > > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com > . > > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > > > > > . > > > For more options, visit this group at > > > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > > > > > > > > > -- > > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > > > -- > They say: "The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons." > And I'm thinking: "Does it even occur to you to try for something > other than the default outcome?" See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/*** > http://www.lojban.org/ > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. > > -- mu'o mi'e .aionys. .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0016e6d63fe0c526920483d46f13 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hmm. Maybe it's spelled worng? Or isn't in the list anymore (accide= ntally deleted)?

On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 3= :13 PM, Robin Lee Powell <rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org> wrote:
Yeah, but "l= o se gasnu" still won't work for me. =A0Everything else
seems to.

-Robin

On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 03:09:28PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote:
> On Fri, Apr 9, 2010 at 2:40 PM, Robin Lee Powell <
> rlpowell@digitalkingdom= .org> wrote:
>
> > Sorry I didn't get in on this; been busy with other stuff, as= I'm
> > sure you've noticed.
> >
> > I changed "lo gasnu" to "a causer", because t= he important thing
> > about gasnu is that it's agentive. =A0I'd like to make &q= uot;lo se gasnu"
> > into "something caused by an agent", but the edit scree= n won't come
> > up for that.
> >
> > Sure is nice to have the search; too bad it's such a giant ho= g; I
> > can only make it work reliably in FF.
> >
>
> Agreed. It very nearly kills my processor. I was able to pull up all f= our of
> the rinka items by just putting "rinka" in the search text- = maybe that'll
> help?
>
> >
> > -Robin
> >
> > On Fri, Apr 09, 2010 at 12:06:35PM -0600, Jonathan Jones wrote: > > > I was finally able to fix this. Took forever and three days,= but it's
> > good
> > > now. I used your suggestion for {lo te rinka}, by the way. > > >
> > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 12:03 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > > Hey Robin, has this problem been fixed, or are you havi= ng the same
> > problems
> > > > loading the edit page I am?
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > On Fri, Apr 2, 2010 at 10:58 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >> I've got no problems with that. The only "= pattern" on Smart.fm is that
> > > >> every entry contains the gismu's keyword. So {l= o se klama}, for
> > example, is
> > > >> "a destination gone to", as opposed to me= rely "a destination".
> > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >> On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:15 PM, MorphemeAddict <= lytlesw@gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> > > >>
> > > >>> Perhaps "an effect caused" (lo se rin= ka) matches some general pattern
> > on
> > > >>> s= mart.fm, but it seems it would be more normal as "a caused effect&= quot;.
> > > >>>
> > > >>> stevo
> > > >>>
> > > >>> =A0 On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 1:59 PM, Jonathan Jo= nes <eyeonus@gmail.com
> > >wrote:
> > > >>>
> > > >>>> =A0 Okay, so I'm completely unable to m= ake the changes myself. I just
> > > >>>> spent 1:20 waiting for Smart.fm to load, an= d it never got past 61%.
> > However,
> > > >>>> after looking at the full definitions of gu= nka and rinka as they are
> > in the
> > > >>>> gismu list, this is my decision regarding t= he duplication:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Gunka to be left as is.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> Rinka:
> > > >>>> rinka - =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 x1 causes effect x2= under conditions x3
> > > >>>> lo rinka - =A0 =A0 an effect's cause > > > >>>> lo se rinka - an effect caused
> > > >>>> lo te rinka - =A0a condition of an effect > > > >>>> Unless anyone has a better idea, someone (,= this probably means
> > Robin,)
> > > >>>> will make the above change at some point in= the hopefully
> > not-too-distant
> > > >>>> future. Would that I could do it, this woul= d already have happened.
> > > >>>> =A0 =A0 On Thu, Apr 1, 2010 at 8:41 AM, Jon= athan Jones <
> > eyeonus@gmail.com>wro= te:
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>> Good job finding that duplication. I= 9;ll take a look.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> On 4/1/10, Timo Paulssen <timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de> wrote:
> > > >>>>> > Heya,
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> > I didn't feel like I should ju= st go ahead and edit items by
> > myself,
> > > >>>>> so I
> > > >>>>> > decided to ask first.
> > > >>>>> > lo rinka - a cause
> > > >>>>> > lo gasnu - a cause
> > > >>>>> > lo se rinka - something caused
> > > >>>>> > lo se gasnu - something caused
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> > i'd say lo gasnu should become= "a causer" (not an agent, that
> > would
> > > >>>>> be
> > > >>>>> > lo zukte) and lo se gasnu could be= come "something brought about"
> > (as
> > > >>>>> > vensa suggested).
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> > Thoughts?
> > > >>>>> > mu'o mi'e timos
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> > --
> > > >>>>> > You received this message because = you are subscribed to the
> > Google
> > > >>>>> Groups
> > > >>>>> > "Lojban Beginners" group= .
> > > >>>>> > To post to this group, send email = to
> > > >>>>> lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com.
> > > >>>>> > To unsubscribe from this group, se= nd email to
> > > >>>>> > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.= com<lojban-beginners%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com>
> > <lojban-beginners%2Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com<= lojb= an-beginners%252Bunsubscribe@googlegroups.com>
> > >
> > > >>>>> .
> > > >>>>> > For more options, visit this group= at
> > > >>>>> > http://groups.google.co= m/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den.
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>> >
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> =A0--
> > > >>>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe= denpa bu
> > > >>>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> --
> > > >>>> mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> > > >>>>
> > > >>>> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe den= pa bu
> > > >>>>
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> > > >> =A0mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> > > >>
> > > >> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > > >>
> > > >>
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
> > > >
> > > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > mu'o mi'e .aionys.
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> >
> > --
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> > And I'm =A0thinking: =A0"Does it even occur to you to tr= y for something
> > other =A0than =A0the default =A0outcome?" =A0See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
> > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/<http://www.digi= talkingdom.org/%7Erlpowell/>***
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>
> .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu
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They say: =A0"The first AIs will be built by the military as weapons.&= quot;
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other =A0than =A0the default =A0outcome?" =A0See http://shrunklink.com/cdiz
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