Received: from mail-gx0-f198.google.com ([209.85.217.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O1719-0000Kv-5G; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:56:47 -0700 Received: by gxk22 with SMTP id 22sf1521469gxk.4 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:56:36 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:date :in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:received :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=MRRBvItY7CGlfxvzjSaVMA7/1vt/iNmj8+MAxd/HOLY=; b=eBv7mis0tOS+pt1upTus3PRZB1iS2PrnARTz/Thw9I2ZTIBOK4T/iiBivp/DYUTG7z ioJImZK/dlGloeqYktd4OqrvvpN2nEpnDiimgubDdkfApgfQ7y2uP0wQ+955JbTTiGzI Tze8LyUVWRB2hDYiQ1h/RMmzGqZtTTsZMKl80= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip :references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=XTz9tHa0UaQdlVZudFweHkUqfX3nUfVFzbXaUJh6+Z+s2Q0d2JEIaHlJ3Od+Yk+Gde ffbiTpY6uodkI2QqupBq4ifDt9T5BWl0qJGZyEBlX5CBoCfJaVaNW2lhGo++s1JJYbj1 gegikbRs6b99f1pZ3gWqmCqg6TwCmb3AB+Dg0= Received: by 10.91.93.10 with SMTP id v10mr524242agl.18.1271030194551; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:56:34 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.90.172.20 with SMTP id u20ls279107age.4.p; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.49.14 with SMTP id b14mr2543438agk.14.1271030192694; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.91.49.14 with SMTP id b14mr2543437agk.14.1271030192668; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yw0-f143.google.com (mail-yw0-f143.google.com [209.85.211.143]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si177329yxe.14.2010.04.11.16.56.32; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 209.85.211.143 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of bnansel@internode.on.net) client-ip=209.85.211.143; Received: by mail-yw0-f143.google.com with SMTP id 7so1860759ywh.26 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:56:32 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by z4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:56:32 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BC1D5C7.80105@lojban.org> X-IP: 118.210.181.228 References: <65acaf76-6714-432b-8ffd-c4fcb99a809e@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> <4BC1D5C7.80105@lojban.org> User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_6_2; en-us) AppleWebKit/531.22.7 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.5 Safari/531.22.7,gzip(gfe) Received: by 10.101.165.27 with SMTP id s27mr79615ano.76.1271030192615; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 16:56:32 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <406bf92a-221e-4c59-a73c-d9b58a7ef8e0@z4g2000yqa.googlegroups.com> Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Biting off way more than I can chew -- and loving it! From: Gearhead Shem Tov To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 209.85.211.143 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of bnansel@internode.on.net) smtp.mail=bnansel@internode.on.net X-Original-Sender: bnansel@internode.on.net Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/cb7dd695a460ac23 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/cf73f6c9efd8da8a Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1821 On Apr 11, 10:59=A0pm, "Bob LeChevalier, President and Founder - LLG" wrote: > Composing Lojban fresh, one would hopefully tend to think "relationship, > relatees (sumti), predication" style, rather than that of English > narrative or other styles. I can't think of a better way -- for *me* -- to learn lojban than trying to discover what the "natural" voice for lojban narrative might be. Reading existing texts would give me some flavour, but I'd be stuck in Dick and Jane level for too long to hold my interest. Better to butcher a translation on my first go, then read the more elegant stuff written by others to figure out where I went wrong, I reckon. > A more conversational or stream of > consciousness style adding in lots of attitudinal and discursive forms > (selma'o UI) (with the nature and style of expression of these forms > being key to showing a character or POV person's personality). This is a fascinating idea. Does there seem to be a voice and POV folks have found to work well? Would I be best served trying to discover the lojban equivalent of the 3rd person limited POV that's my default in English? Or would, say, something goofy such as second person present tense be more natural? > > And no one would fault the ego of a real author writing his own story in > Lojban %^) Hmm. Well, I do have a 700 word short-short that might be just the ticket. I'll have a think about it. -Bobby --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.