Received: from mail-qy0-f166.google.com ([209.85.221.166]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O1HLd-0001MB-EQ; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 03:58:38 -0700 Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38sf6494013qyk.1 for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 03:58:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; bh=C1BSZUMj1DA/XmRW8GDdQQR+Ncnx51eSUTDIhPX8p0E=; b=rwYVqAm1FWQqDM6N9Ogmfmt5S+3o5DRJz+FwB4Nh++hKaLCOA5vj/ke4ssksEQuMSW GoBZF4lDPfMkfG2wgJacajqpq+SthOSQF/tUqIsWgq48bH4CoY195OmNE3r5BuNDmO/q 5JD9/Acx5QtBsviMXDCSHRfgw6Bmfh1kqjIOQ= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-disposition; b=CS+NlrsizbNE7ANsTDn5WfhIPsGcBlCaX/CXiYPSiLEjzy35G2lQcWTGB7jZ2y3yyR FjXIioBl4M08/dnqu94hpxnB8Tt0d6EMndU8ynOiD36dZ/4jNd4WI0ASYvd/0I4BHrro XQOXeLkQigH25XDI7zIr9V5CiEOn5zsvwBGNQ= Received: by 10.224.97.138 with SMTP id l10mr187128qan.24.1271069904744; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 03:58:24 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.16.78 with SMTP id n14ls783623qaa.1.p; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 03:58:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.86.167 with SMTP id s39mr372864qal.17.1271069902748; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 03:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.86.167 with SMTP id s39mr372863qal.17.1271069902724; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 03:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.121]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si590625qyk.6.2010.04.12.03.58.22; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 03:58:22 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.121; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W/hBQ06qw3sd7s/ivY51N5seo0sJ1CJjfZA0aPhrSFo= c=1 sm=0 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=6kuYKfSgici4z9s6-5YA:9 a=QyEBieBrbyuvk6BVh7iatMc1NrEA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=EbmWxXgwhEFTtmrH:21 a=LgoJcBMeA9wAUyJt:21 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:59221] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id F3/D3-13915-DCCF2CB4; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 10:58:22 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 89EFEA23E for ; Mon, 12 Apr 2010 06:58:16 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] so'inono Date: Mon, 12 Apr 2010 06:58:01 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <201004112349.00200.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201004120658.08292.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.121 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/4a1192ef174c357b X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/5c3fc1d3e3e0e818 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1279 On Monday 12 April 2010 00:59:17 David Gowers wrote: > I thought tu'o meant a [null] number, not a digit. > I suppose you could interpret tu'o as taking the same amount of digits > up as '0'/'no', in which case your interpretation holds. > Otherwise, CLL seems to be fairly unspecific about it; I'm personally > inclined to interpret "renotu'otu'o" as you said, and interpret > "renotu'o" as 'any positive number starting with the digits 20' "tu'o" by itself means the null number, which can be used to translate "a number of" as well as in mekso where a number is syntactically required but mathematically absent. I'm basing "renotu'otu'o" on a Broken Phone round that never finished where someone sent me a phrase like that. It was about an art form, and was intended to be "Since the 1900's", but had morphed into "During 19xx years" by the time it got to me. Pierre -- li fi'u vu'u fi'u fi'u du li pa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.