Received: from mail-qy0-f165.google.com ([209.85.221.165]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <32tfFSwAAEMMuxskjw-knprwwn01pxxpunp0x3y1.lxv@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1O2426-0007uu-2N; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:57:44 -0700 Received: by qyk37 with SMTP id 37sf201263qyk.20 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:57:31 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:date:received :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=7AgI0t0VOh97Ch5zcUQSaMW4B32q00MSJOryA5DCfTY=; b=12UbdkCEfJW1/jjceegvJT1l1EWpptnnox9T63/51+cqjJCF0B3IY1zUIv1HU0Qjp3 ysGT1+Yzt6Wqlef16nT3joitufqHWu8FcCP8wFOFzo0XsEKZuzmJBLfF+UPKog/yP946 ZBChA1dppsxxoC5j8kVNPz5ISuSqCALcQjiUI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; b=1VYKfwTU2GTD7OWF3YrJwXKeGytgzSU2OAQUF3StXrl+cbrWByKbJF1LWY9fszIY3q X3mSSmwBQlZXZNdG5BQJxIiAvnZTk2jgkYmCXMLbSFC5k5947539Vf9b5+Ul1S/cvbil CJo5c1RP3lGPQr1sgbzC6NyqtsViAfFDBcKUg= Received: by 10.229.116.84 with SMTP id l20mr249606qcq.37.1271257050097; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:57:30 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.210.31 with SMTP id gi31ls366315qcb.0.p; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.189.17 with SMTP id dc17mr382315qcb.8.1271257048299; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.189.17 with SMTP id dc17mr382314qcb.8.1271257048274; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:57:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f48.google.com (mail-vw0-f48.google.com [209.85.212.48]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si79591qyk.3.2010.04.14.07.57.27; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.48 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.48; Received: by mail-vw0-f48.google.com with SMTP id 10so88267vws.35 for ; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:57:27 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.167.140 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:57:26 -0700 (PDT) Date: Wed, 14 Apr 2010 10:57:26 -0400 Received: by 10.220.107.162 with SMTP id b34mr4171236vcp.95.1271257047008; Wed, 14 Apr 2010 07:57:27 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] broda unless lo nu brode From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.48 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/e6c9e00e300100bd X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/5203b0ba78ab7515 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00c09f8fea9bb4891e0484339876 Content-Length: 2192 --00c09f8fea9bb4891e0484339876 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 I have seen (and often use) {broda va'o lo nu brode} to mean "broda when/if/under-conditions lo nu brode". But what if I want to say something like: "go visit john unless he doesn't want you to". Can I use {BAInai} to mean something like the inverse of {BAI}? e.g. {ko vitke la djan va'onai lo nu ri na djica}. Or if I say {mi viska do sepi'onai lo darctatci} have I just said "I see you without using a telescope", something entirely different, or something non-grammatical? pe'u ki'e mi'e pafcribe -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --00c09f8fea9bb4891e0484339876 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable I have seen (and often use) {broda va'o lo nu brode} to mean "brod= a when/if/under-conditions lo nu brode". =A0But what if I want to say = something like: =A0"go visit john unless he doesn't want you to&qu= ot;. =A0Can I use {BAInai} to mean something like the inverse of {BAI}? =A0= e.g. =A0=A0{ko vitke la djan va'onai lo nu ri na djica}.

Or if I say {mi viska do sepi'onai lo darctatci} have I = just said "I see you without using a telescope", something entire= ly different, or something non-grammatical?

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