Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3nenGSwgJEJk97M.HK7G9F3BE.5HFEHC43G-479BGG7KL9HH9E79KHNIL.5HF@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1O2MGT-00013m-Ut; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 03:25:54 -0700 Received: by pwi3 with SMTP id 3sf310791pwi.16 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 03:25:35 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:from:date:received:message-id:subject:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=vXyMwMRWGDWqC8n/IEia3U/3tGCAb2kt/A6f4Swm4BA=; b=TjcXtvKz4QwK/FXjHZhYQG9TS8mR47iJxU3YUVHtzlTZcNYYsskYPWU/NRTMdJeGNw E3ekJVRKrEPNS4jvjlMatFUmvP/cuH39GjLFGPE9aQ7+73AAUeTXToNeAEUSR+BxfgcK f+nmdj485vSXnibsKioaT9yhKFpx82EqJhLto= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=CSZ0HColZj0WWjb0Yf9YobqpUYvoc3au0mxDa+0Jyao9TUkcP+Bjlit2AtsTuFEJAj z710qIvqReSJcnpKC2aw3SLmWIUwesdCOYGs63m5xi/xHBcFcNSDHpKzlhUwYvzXR0UW dXD+A8755tBBBF633vKgdfqFa0IT8N9PolIhs= Received: by 10.115.20.13 with SMTP id x13mr606737wai.0.1271327133692; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 03:25:33 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.133.33 with SMTP id k33ls623473wan.2.p; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 03:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.117.17 with SMTP id u17mr1361057wam.2.1271327131718; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 03:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.117.17 with SMTP id u17mr1361055wam.2.1271327131624; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 03:25:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pv0-f178.google.com (mail-pv0-f178.google.com [74.125.83.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si252381pzk.3.2010.04.15.03.25.30; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 03:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of get.oren@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.178; Received: by pvg4 with SMTP id 4so759981pvg.37 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 03:25:30 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.109.10 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 03:25:10 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: From: Oren Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 18:25:10 +0800 Received: by 10.142.208.11 with SMTP id f11mr3894542wfg.125.1271327130080; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 03:25:30 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Should I propose an experimental cmavo? (was non-urgent research request to help Lojban.) To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of get.oren@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=get.oren@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: get.oren@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/4b6de8cfaeeca462 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/c8ef182b91564715 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=windows-1252 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1487 > Isn't that what the observatives are for? Not from my understanding. From .i la lojban mo: =94...[an observative] is usually stated by someone when they first observe or take note of the relation, and wish to quickly communicate it to someone else.=93 > =ABnu mi klama=BB is that, "look, [the event of] me coming" (=B1tense/asp= ect/whatever). "The event of me going" is not an observative, and I'm not sure what you're saying with '(=B1tense/aspect/whatever).' Could you spell it out for me? > "never mind" is almost as long as ".i ko tolju'i" (for example), so, why = new cmavo? I don't think you understand my question. Firstly I'm not comparing English and Lojban brevity. My use of "never mind" is to describe an utterance that I wish to express distinctly in Lojban. My illustrations were an attempt to show that this concept, a scalar indicator from "make note" to "never mind," has common applications similar to other BAI attitudinals. My question is: is there really no attitudinal or cmavo for this concept? My syllogism is: if there is not, then I wish to propose it as an experimental cmavo. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.