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From: Jonathan Jones To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of eyeonus@gmail.com designates 74.125.82.175 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=eyeonus@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: eyeonus@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/4b6de8cfaeeca462 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/db002f0c46a91f51 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6d64004beba470484493873 Content-Length: 4717 --0016e6d64004beba470484493873 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Oren wrote: > 2010/4/15 Oleksii Melnyk : > > my guess: native jbopre, urged to express some exact attitude, > > not yet covered by the vocabulary, will use "sei" or "to", describing it. > > I'll make note of that. =p > > > "never mind" is "covered", > > my only residual query: do you see any "never mind" polysemy here? > > case 1 > A: What was that you just said? > B: Never mind. > > case 2 > A: What kind of breaks are the safest? > (Brakes, not breaks. 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On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 8:52 AM, Oren <get.oren@gmail.co= m> wrote:
2010/4/15 Oleksii Melnyk <lamelnyk= @gmail.com>:
> my guess: native jbopre, urged to express some exact= attitude,
> not yet covered by the vocabulary, will use "sei" or "t= o", describing it.

I'll make note of that. =3Dp

> "never mind" is "covered",

my only residual query: do you see any "never mind" polysemy here= ?

case 1
A: What was that you just said?
B: Never mind.

case 2
A: What kind of breaks are the safest?
(Brakes, not br= eaks. Breaks =3D "resting periods" or, as a verb, "is destro= yed".)
B: Never mind that; just remember to wear a helmet!

When you say { ju'inai } covers 'never mind' I agree in case 1,= but
feel suspicious about case 2, where my interpretation is that the
attitudes reflect importance for consideration/remembering of
something.

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