Received: from mail-qy0-f165.google.com ([209.85.221.165]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from <3KUTHSwoJEIAnnppeqfmewkqemp.gsqpsnfer-fikmrrivwksskpikvsytw.gsq@groups.bounces.google.com>) id 1O2SIM-00063N-2T; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:52:10 -0700 Received: by qyk37 with SMTP id 37sf1812787qyk.20 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:51:55 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type; bh=z1L9f+Vj8mWcVTdtXzsafBRhjO37BOpzMR64OLqCOOA=; b=rJ3IiCnRjmfG5obp+aVNQ1ucfBw91R3JRrfRCLu/OjuvFl422L7wOjWJpJCmd/NhQC LAvanpyAjP6h2kf7XILuhLlejU6fikIFRYd3sCoZARTiLzRzNbZSu2KEApPX4GMZ9bhJ VW47SOTnkdT0kJ1i/MSS4swKP/UUdY+l8zVL4= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender :list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=U3Iwt4R/WWTxiZ8v8CkAroUDKUL0YMvX2PkVW+KbaT4eGYPjo127p44t/2pgtm7DlZ LEIgQ5owUyt+WRqO/qr53kgs8rwkGwzfHezCEWRz2mjvi3R9sPfJHnjGaPIzANketRDG 4w0oakGYdcqf1ScaJbljBUH8JX+Rp9WyDYqs4= Received: by 10.224.10.167 with SMTP id p39mr15075qap.40.1271350313967; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:51:53 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.59.82 with SMTP id k18ls430605qah.5.p; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.102.73 with SMTP id f9mr27293qao.7.1271350312243; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.102.73 with SMTP id f9mr27291qao.7.1271350312211; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:51:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from qw-out-1920.google.com (qw-out-1920.google.com [74.125.92.145]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si321036qyk.0.2010.04.15.09.51.51; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:51:51 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.92.145 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.92.145; Received: by qw-out-1920.google.com with SMTP id 5so493194qwc.38 for ; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:51:51 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.79.75 with HTTP; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:51:50 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Thu, 15 Apr 2010 13:51:50 -0300 Received: by 10.229.218.2 with SMTP id ho2mr279903qcb.51.1271350310764; Thu, 15 Apr 2010 09:51:50 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Should I propose an experimental cmavo? (was non-urgent research request to help Lojban.) From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 74.125.92.145 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/4b6de8cfaeeca462 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/8cc2f68e810dc847 Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1212 On Thu, Apr 15, 2010 at 11:52 AM, Oren wrote: > > my only residual query: do you see any "never mind" polysemy here? > > case 1 > A: What was that you just said? > B: Never mind. > > case 2 > A: What kind of breaks are the safest? > B: Never mind that; just remember to wear a helmet! > > When you say { ju'inai } covers 'never mind' I agree in case 1, but > feel suspicious about case 2, where my interpretation is that the > attitudes reflect importance for consideration/remembering of > something. I agree. I suggest using "ra'unai"/"ra'u" for case 2. "ra'u" can be complemented with "bi'unai" to indicate that I'm not really telling you anything you didn't already know, as in "remember", "don't forget": A: lo mo verjabre cu traji lo ka nurgau B: ra'unai go'i .i ra'u bi'unai ko dasni lo sedgai mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.