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From: Oleksii Melnyk To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lamelnyk@gmail.com designates 209.85.218.223 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lamelnyk@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lamelnyk@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/4b6de8cfaeeca462 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/1b3d513c7648e4ef Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e6db622e9ee8dc048449ac44 Content-Length: 3219 --0016e6db622e9ee8dc048449ac44 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 2010/4/15 Oren my only residual query: do you see any "never mind" polysemy here? > I, usually, assume, that my understanding of the English words (not to mention idioms, which are far too numerous for my weak brain) is at least not full. As I currently think of those 2 "neverminds", they can have the different lojban translations. Some looks applicable to both cases (full blown "[lo] na'e vajni", attitudional ".a'acu'i" or ".a'ucu'i"). Second, probably, can be be just "zo'e"[.i ra'u ko ....], while first - "su", so here are some difference. I'm not sure, if there exists such a thing like "exact" meaning, so one have the alternatives to choose from. BTW, inability to find the exact "copy" for some word of an other language, is not the reason to make it, if "natives" can live without it. -- mu'o mi'e lex -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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2010/4/15 Oren <get.oren@gmail.com>

my only residual query: do you see any "never mind" polysemy here= ?

I, usually, assume, that my understanding of t= he English words (not to mention=A0 idioms,=A0 which are far too numerous f= or my weak brain) is at least not full. As I currently think of those 2 &qu= ot;neverminds", they can have the different lojban translations. Some = looks applicable to both cases (full blown "[lo] na'e vajni"= , attitudional ".a'acu'i" or ".a'ucu'i"= ). Second, probably, can be be just "zo'e"[.i ra'u ko ...= .], while first - "su", so here are some difference. I'm not = sure, if there exists such a thing like "exact" meaning, so one h= ave the alternatives to choose from.

BTW, inability to find the exact "copy" for some word of an o= ther language, is not the reason to make it, if "natives" can liv= e without it.

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