Received: from mail-qy0-f155.google.com ([209.85.221.155]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O2kw4-0006Iv-5l; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:46:21 -0700 Received: by qyk27 with SMTP id 27sf3749551qyk.22 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:46:09 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=Alwn65JosMFB722zVHGyZHm/nN7qbSBAFd8PPXrDdMs=; b=NlAnXXGP/fJVu/Xq2S/5P1kbrRkxrI5z2pNYu4LAECOtbYoSzGH9AIQ3D8pKXfnU6q jaD5WHaVVLHFDRfe4NZRmRV8zJ8FXvO7JvJ/ipMA9kFQHRw7GL3rOM5D5TuRlYVHTBIk FN6Q8qN9178m3KLEagzYomfQZ0LBDeP/kEGLA= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; b=ADyUwIeE6f2T8rlFcHr1BNDYN3bEw+m8hM3j30fd5iT5t8tgT22ZnE5cDn0iBTBlFA VXe5D0REl+ogxA/F/qjca9S3398thvMzq4Gppl477XPdLw1JXTbYvikm8XvpNynDF/66 4MOBRsTvL3Lwt1VyIvqoBasDRxOOnZxbQdrWs= Received: by 10.224.1.105 with SMTP id 41mr90765qae.27.1271421967539; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:46:07 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.66.7 with SMTP id l7ls870756qai.1.p; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:46:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.96.96 with SMTP id g32mr152763qan.23.1271421966919; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.96.96 with SMTP id g32mr152762qan.23.1271421966896; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si454113qyk.9.2010.04.16.05.46.06; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 05:46:06 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=1o25ReyV6yM5PhBBcfGaQXYQuIzUNoy1DTW6LO0eQcg= c=1 sm=0 a=D-H9CSk4o7sA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=CpCdaAXVDWvSYKtXuW0A:9 a=RjkNbout-vMpFmVdh8MitHKD55EA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:41018] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge01.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id 94/64-02744-D0C58CB4; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 12:46:06 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 1D7EF30C0 for ; Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:46:03 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] {pau} for indirect questions or an equivalent Date: Fri, 16 Apr 2010 08:45:55 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201004160845.59105.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1054 On Friday 16 April 2010 08:39:15 Ian Johnson wrote: > A possible question situation: > .i pau ko'a gerku gi'i mlatu > In this case {pau} is included to make it clear initially that the sentence > is interrogative and possibly also for emphasis. What happens in the > analogous indirect question: > .i mi djuno lodu'u pau ko'a gerku gi'ikau mlatu > Does {pau} modify the bridi or the abstraction? If the former, is there a > way to label an abstraction as being an indirect question early? {pau} modifies the immediately preceding word, which is {du'u}, so it modifies the abstraction. Pierre -- .i toljundi do .ibabo mi'afra tu'a do .ibabo damba do .ibabo do jinga .icu'u la ma'atman. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.