Received: from mail-pw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.160.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O3S8P-0002uJ-Tp; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 03:54:00 -0700 Received: by pwi3 with SMTP id 3sf1186070pwi.16 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 03:53:47 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=altGKecuDEKFfnp97RIGbj6c2IS6QvL2Eui1vMnhjPY=; b=MoBY9Cl3UYqWIAIDb7rK62+daS0lJ9AgzETXlWF9zgADHCoVWaP7//Y/AxJda/DkjY woTsso4dDrOIR358GDxthKb/pcJtKIHbzbIjOlEio2+rGW0yCHcWJu5m2q99D53c0MGs mHOBBjXZMQoExUPci07RTc5gOyBvgLvtPCkzo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=ClTeIheu47f4b6Mj8nyd7UqOm7/W89I4vF350yJ+HPxWnhq0vnwCnzUCdT9114NyKS n1g6FXVV0S6qG2zX9KidESzYrVlYSq5OSG6Y6ewT4LxCuvIirdX6bdSPugFpPnjaUtVA lrxAsB4tKrP6ODZfXKHfFBSacdgWWyGEhfF60= Received: by 10.143.27.29 with SMTP id e29mr294664wfj.25.1271588024464; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 03:53:44 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.142.248.9 with SMTP id v9ls6779450wfh.1.p; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 03:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.118.24 with SMTP id q24mr767487wfc.20.1271588023185; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 03:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.142.118.24 with SMTP id q24mr767486wfc.20.1271588023163; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 03:53:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f191.google.com (mail-pz0-f191.google.com [209.85.222.191]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si977328pzk.9.2010.04.18.03.53.42; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 03:53:42 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of 00ai99@gmail.com designates 209.85.222.191 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.222.191; Received: by pzk29 with SMTP id 29so3637206pzk.29 for ; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 03:53:42 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.43.19 with HTTP; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 03:53:41 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <4BCADA37.6010202@perpetuum-immobile.de> References: <09da87a4-5d57-45d1-8de6-489ad02aea24@z7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <4BCADA37.6010202@perpetuum-immobile.de> Date: Sun, 18 Apr 2010 20:23:41 +0930 Received: by 10.142.75.21 with SMTP id x21mr1579829wfa.195.1271588021984; Sun, 18 Apr 2010 03:53:41 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] About {mi cu facki di'e} From: David Gowers <00ai99@gmail.com> To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of 00ai99@gmail.com designates 209.85.222.191 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=00ai99@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: 00ai99@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1459 On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 7:38 PM, Timo Paulssen wrote: > Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: >> On Sat, Apr 17, 2010 at 3:39 PM, symuyn wrote: >>> {mi cu facki di'e .i mi nelci lonu citka}? >> >> Yes, "la'e di'e" is the correct way to say it. >> >> mu'o mi'e xorxes > > Personally I much prefer {mi nelci lo nu citka sei mi facki} I agree there. {mi cu facki la'e di'e .i mi nelci lonu citka} seems a bit idiomatic and possibly repetitive, in fact, to me it reads like "I discover [the-me-who-likes-eating]. I like eating" Or maybe "I discover the liking-to-eat aspect of me-ness" to be more literal. I'd still argue that this is a bit of an awkward phrasing. {mi facki lo du'u mi nelci lo nu citka} also works if facki is of primary importance rather than discursive. I think du'u may be incorrect in this context, though.. A liking is really more of an event than a fact, given it can change over time. {mi facki lo canu mi nelci lo nu citka} -- changing the meaning slightly to be a bit more specific, "I discover that I currently.." --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.