Received: from mail-pv0-f189.google.com ([74.125.83.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O3lIh-00076w-2u; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:21:52 -0700 Received: by pvb32 with SMTP id 32sf1387145pvb.16 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:21:40 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:in-reply-to :references:date:received:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=Y9/Yl6dWOwhgLPzzKqC77tLfE9vv95Wx9emW+xxG5ok=; b=mun0n42oc8u6fj7t3cjDrslLxXB7D/TZLfq2QdDSxMeaFC41+aP05mguxyUTABZk+I RqrHLfVDJQC0pn3THXPxThdIFiXsCDKFRcSLqxVZLP0y/hlBvhcD8e0yZ4RUisDTQbfg Mgk2MgTFaQUULX0OmXd0er3JpjaDAgGc3HQlk= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=n8fYVJi3kt+WTkLBxcMbJ8LtpF2UDtY+N4tWBnuzmuClMvl+FlGv+z4tkjVdQCZ9by 9+bjxo5sqfEY03JQ6gjyctMskhyQGlHug6kMJmea5rdT683Krb4q0L2V8pbBJ0Y3bOIW KKEBnc/YAsQgRqXZtpmjGAVVNCFrExQ7ja3RE= Received: by 10.140.83.22 with SMTP id g22mr666825rvb.11.1271661696618; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:21:36 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.141.188.20 with SMTP id q20ls10317418rvp.3.p; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.124.4 with SMTP id b4mr970685rvn.28.1271661695408; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.141.124.4 with SMTP id b4mr970684rvn.28.1271661695389; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:21:35 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-pz0-f178.google.com (mail-pz0-f178.google.com [209.85.222.178]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 25si1144433pzk.12.2010.04.19.00.21.34; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of 00ai99@gmail.com designates 209.85.222.178 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.222.178; Received: by pzk8 with SMTP id 8so13169pzk.16 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:21:34 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.142.43.19 with HTTP; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:21:34 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <09da87a4-5d57-45d1-8de6-489ad02aea24@z7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <4BCADA37.6010202@perpetuum-immobile.de> Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 16:51:34 +0930 Received: by 10.142.61.24 with SMTP id j24mr1865628wfa.177.1271661694219; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 00:21:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] About {mi cu facki di'e} From: David Gowers <00ai99@gmail.com> To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of 00ai99@gmail.com designates 209.85.222.178 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=00ai99@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: 00ai99@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1306 2010/4/19 Jorge Llamb=EDas : > On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 10:11 PM, David Gowers <00ai99@gmail.com> wrote: >> 2010/4/19 Jorge Llamb=EDas : >>> >>> The referent of a sentence is the proposition that that sentence expres= ses. >> >> =3D=3D a single particle containing the actual meaning of the bridi, >> rather than it's literal content, then? > > What do you mean by "a single particle"? "la'e di'e"? I mean a particular kind of sumti; I don't know what that particular kind is, if it even has a name: a selbri converted to a sumti. > > "di'e" refers to the following sentence (i.e. the text), the thing > that, for example, has a certain number of words. > "la'e di'e" refers to the meaning of the following sentence (i.e. the > proposition that the text expresses), the thing that can be true or > false. okay, so la'e di'e does represent the following selbri converted to a sumti= .. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.