Received: from mail-qy0-f162.google.com ([209.85.221.162]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O3sV1-0007tk-MW; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:03:09 -0700 Received: by qyk34 with SMTP id 34sf9413864qyk.21 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:02:52 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=M9HgbJe4VB98qApAnaT0CZsSmy6jlyeU0Kef3POX7D8=; b=SciNIzqAJnLWVjndswhVpZe0p9Vtf06dsFBTfM+T9rWUndqYSFSmAGFj57a6j6uRbc teFJg5nrYVgSJdX17ITE+/mQjqa7Ix42O9Rfws2lNeQKBSr4qvdt1Tn9NVo86NDACnww zJb6bk9ksx7CcypM51eNjICv/Kt/rdRLWCsqI= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; b=rQITIeM4IHh46AxNuSQ8/3s/9tRh0BNRlQmRIsjSuvBG6EyVD3ksllc52CiFlxxG/E 1Oz/Raqj0zDc7RdlbezG9qUF6zrrRm2AFiNKD5nG6rT0bjjo40/ImEkt7Uk+UwaP8Jl2 aTe4cKc1onQkeUjDTR+xWQAxsp7jBor0HomM8= Received: by 10.229.197.8 with SMTP id ei8mr278359qcb.15.1271689369949; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:02:49 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.50.82 with SMTP id y18ls9288333qcf.1.p; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:02:49 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.233.68 with SMTP id jx4mr542464qcb.28.1271689368496; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.233.68 with SMTP id jx4mr542462qcb.28.1271689368152; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si1034602qyk.9.2010.04.19.08.02.47; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:02:48 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=W/hBQ06qw3sd7s/ivY51N5seo0sJ1CJjfZA0aPhrSFo= c=1 sm=0 a=dAtYuaMxXKwA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=DOqE3v-vh2VKUW2LlRUA:9 a=j7fZ4tKdIp2gul5lX1xZiMCufbgA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:49871] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge02.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id F4/D3-13915-7907CCB4; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:02:47 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 61813D48A for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:02:46 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] About {mi cu facki di'e} Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:02:33 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <09da87a4-5d57-45d1-8de6-489ad02aea24@z7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <201004190742.40204.phma@phma.optus.nu> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201004191102.37339.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1341 On Monday 19 April 2010 10:24:20 Ian Johnson wrote: > Sorry to interject, but just so I understand: > > Define a rafsi R1 to be M1+C1, with M1 being an established cmavo such > as {na} and C1 being a consonant, and define another rafsi R2 whose first > consonant is C2. If C1+R2 is morphologically acceptable, then to form lujvo > R1+R2 we need a y in between C1 and C2, even if C1+C2 is an acceptable > consonant cluster, to avoid fragmentation into M1 C1+R2? > > Please pardon my horrible abuse of the addition operator, heh. Correct. Another example is "cakyrespa"; since "krespa" is a lujvo, "y" is needed in "cakyrespa". "cakremna" does not need "y" because "kremna" is not valid. "baklanme" is valid but "bakladru" breaks up, so if you mean cow milk, it's "bakyladru". This rule is called "tosmabru"; where that name came from I'm not sure, since "tos" isn't the rafsi of anything. Pierre -- I believe in Yellow when I'm in Sweden and in Black when I'm in Wales. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. 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