Received: from mail-pz0-f160.google.com ([209.85.222.160]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O3veg-0007VJ-Ax; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:25:20 -0700 Received: by pzk32 with SMTP id 32sf1464281pzk.25 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:25:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:received:date:from:to :subject:message-id:mail-followup-to:references:mime-version :in-reply-to:organization:user-agent :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; bh=skc6CuIXkFeJfa6QVjNpkR+FDoyi+5yd2dLSLZlg/38=; b=xO+YB7HE8LNLZ1Gvk4RRxnEpQEcM3PJjgnPaTbdzu9aWx8Tkl1JYjzSvXix2o05PLV O9JnriE2Qi6sjNOMiEL5r7BxxNl7JBJy8hwsc/Dt5CP1oEad7jS1OEem+4pddO/GOIUU ETEjj1ERd6i8UTXtqIRgPnOMnfYpL3uUYvWFo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:date:from:to:subject:message-id :mail-followup-to:references:mime-version:in-reply-to:organization :user-agent:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition:content-transfer-encoding; b=vkDzj8+/bugGfvOgI6T/OlcYZeMTfgCfgHfgyVhV7mRlasC7sq9s/+Wl9G207uvOor 93sszUFAcjzwY4B75cONcSOd2z8V1rt+oR2Cmvlj+sqLYN5WmSgrDuj+xTbEl4y53pmO 0DQpwtTgO80YpNCTCKaNDogF44MpV2DEHE0mQ= Received: by 10.115.36.23 with SMTP id o23mr474018waj.5.1271701500779; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:25:00 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.114.253.13 with SMTP id a13ls8612409wai.3.p; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:24:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.175.7 with SMTP id x7mr4103739ybe.26.1271701498665; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 11:24:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.143.13 with SMTP id s13mr499024ibu.8.1271689390997; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.231.143.13 with SMTP id s13mr499023ibu.8.1271689390962; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (mx.freeshell.org [192.94.73.19]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si873272iwn.9.2010.04.19.08.03.10; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 08:03:10 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 192.94.73.19 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of jwodder@sdf.lonestar.org) client-ip=192.94.73.19; Received: from sdf.lonestar.org (IDENT:jwodder@sverige.freeshell.org [192.94.73.4]) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.4/8.14.3) with ESMTP id o3JF3AaP011519 for ; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:03:10 GMT Received: (from jwodder@localhost) by sdf.lonestar.org (8.14.4/8.12.8/Submit) id o3JF3Afw015056 for lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:03:10 GMT Date: Mon, 19 Apr 2010 15:03:10 +0000 From: Minimiscience To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] About {mi cu facki di'e} Message-ID: <20100419150309.GA9277@sdf.lonestar.org> Mail-Followup-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com References: <09da87a4-5d57-45d1-8de6-489ad02aea24@z7g2000yqb.googlegroups.com> <201004182357.39927.phma@phma.optus.nu> <201004190742.40204.phma@phma.optus.nu> MIME-Version: 1.0 In-Reply-To: Organization: SDF Public Access UNIX System User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.20 (2009-06-14) X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 192.94.73.19 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of jwodder@sdf.lonestar.org) smtp.mail=jwodder@sdf.lonestar.org X-Original-Sender: minimiscience@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 1530 de'i li 19 pi'e 04 pi'e 2010 la'o fy. Ian Johnson .fy. cusku zoi skamyxatra= . > Sorry to interject, but just so I understand: >=20 > Define a rafsi R1 to be M1+C1, with M1 being an established cmavo such > as {na} and C1 being a consonant, and define another rafsi R2 whose first > consonant is C2. If C1+R2 is morphologically acceptable, .skamyxatra Morphologically acceptable *as a {lujvo}* (which usually only applies when = R2 is a string of more than one {rafsi}). > then to form lujvo R1+R2 we need a y in between C1 and C2, even if C1+C2 = is > an acceptable consonant cluster, to avoid fragmentation into M1 C1+R2? Yes. This is known as the "tosmabru test," described in item 5 of the {lujvo}-making algorithm in section 4.11 of the CLL. Note that item 5a of = the description is incorrect; the first sentence should read, "Examine all the = C/C consonant pairs up to the first 'y'-hyphen, or up to the end of the word in case there are no 'y'-hyphens." mu'omi'e .kamymecraijun. --=20 () =A0me la .asycy'i'ic. dasri nungazdau fi loi me la xytymylyl. samxa'a /\ =A0di'o la'o jy. www.asciiribbon.org .jy. fi loi posysivni datnytai minx= a'a --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.