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2010/4/18 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>

> On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:07 PM, tijlan <jbotijlan@googlemail.com> wrote:
> > Is it grammatical to introduce a lujvo with "cei" following a tanru,
> > even if no pro-bridi is involved, like this:
> >
> >  ti carna nalci vinji cei carna'ivinji
>
> It's grammatical, but the question is, what does it mean?
>
> "cei" identifies the two predicates it joins, but a tanru and the
> lujvo made with the tanru elements usually will be two different
> predicates.
>
> The tanru has the same place structure of the rightmost element.
> (Except when "co" is involved, then things get complicated.)
>
> The lujvo will have its own usually different place structure, based
> on the arguments of all of its components. So strictly speaking it
> would not make sense to connect a lujvo and a tanru with "cei" that
> way, unless you are defining the lujvo as having the same meaning of
> the tanru.
>
>
I think that was what he was trying to do, seeing how the rafsi his lujvo i=
s
composed of are from the gismu in the tanru.

> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>

mu'o mi'e djefris

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/4/18 Jorge Llamb=EDas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt=
;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span=
><br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"PADDING-LEFT: 1ex; MARGIN: 0px 0=
px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div class=3D"im">On Sun, Apr 18, 2010 at 8:07 PM, tijlan &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:jbotijlan@googlemail.com">jbotijlan@googlemail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>&=
gt; Is it grammatical to introduce a lujvo with &quot;cei&quot; following a=
 tanru,<br>
&gt; even if no pro-bridi is involved, like this:<br>&gt;<br>&gt; =A0ti car=
na nalci vinji cei carna&#39;ivinji<br><br></div>It&#39;s grammatical, but =
the question is, what does it mean?<br><br>&quot;cei&quot; identifies the t=
wo predicates it joins, but a tanru and the<br>
lujvo made with the tanru elements usually will be two different<br>predica=
tes.<br><br>The tanru has the same place structure of the rightmost element=
.<br>(Except when &quot;co&quot; is involved, then things get complicated.)=
<br>
<br>The lujvo will have its own usually different place structure, based<br=
>on the arguments of all of its components. So strictly speaking it<br>woul=
d not make sense to connect a lujvo and a tanru with &quot;cei&quot; that<b=
r>
way, unless you are defining the lujvo as having the same meaning of<br>the=
 tanru.<br>
<div class=3D"im">=A0</div></blockquote>
<div>I think that was what he was trying to do, seeing how the rafsi his lu=
jvo is composed of are from the=A0gismu=A0in the tanru.</div>
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px 0px 0.8ex; BORDER-LEFT: #ccc 1px solid">
<div class=3D"im">mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes</div></blockquote>
<div>=A0</div>
<div>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e djefris</div></div>

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