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On 27 April 2010 02:26, Pierre Abbat <phma@phma.optus.nu> wrote:

> Looking at some actual gismu etymologies:
> carmi: =D1=8F=D1=80=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=B9 (iark)
> bisli: =D0=BB=D1=91=D0=B4 (liot)
> ckiku: =D0=BA=D0=BB=D1=8E=D1=87 (kliuc)
> So apparently yes.
>

It's interesting that they simplified the double articulation ( =D1=87 [=CA=
=A7] --> tc
--> c ) but not the palatalization ( =D0=BB=D1=8E [l=CA=B2u] --> liu --> li=
u ). To me, [t]
in [=CA=A7] sounds as much if not more distinct as [=CA=B2].

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Looking at some actual gismu etymologies:<br>
carmi: =D1=8F=D1=80=D0=BA=D0=B8=D0=B9 (iark)<br>
bisli: =D0=BB=D1=91=D0=B4 (liot)<br>
ckiku: =D0=BA=D0=BB=D1=8E=D1=87 (kliuc)<br>
So apparently yes.<br></blockquote><div><br>It&#39;s interesting that they =
simplified the double articulation ( =D1=87 <span title=3D"Representation i=
n the International Phonetic Alphabet=20
(IPA)" class=3D"IPA">[=CA=A7</span>] --&gt; tc --&gt; c ) but not the palat=
alization ( =D0=BB=D1=8E [l<span title=3D"Representation in the Internation=
al Phonetic Alphabet=20
(IPA)" class=3D"IPA">=CA=B2u</span>] --&gt; liu --&gt; liu ). To me, [t] in=
 [<span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=20
(IPA)" class=3D"IPA">=CA=A7] sounds as much if not more distinct as [</span=
><span title=3D"Representation in the International Phonetic Alphabet=20
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