Received: from mail-qy0-f166.google.com ([209.85.221.166]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O0tHd-0003Gn-2U; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:16:55 -0700 Received: by qyk38 with SMTP id 38sf4840900qyk.1 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:16:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; bh=u42aAhYTAOth/iu1ruway520Y3RIm1gSeKjwHl5XVNE=; b=18k1YGUS9gxRvuUSnzh/APn88lEFH85ouH313jJp+eFCPRlAU58inBfsfjmeBnerha GX5AVhXQdKS2C6mNTC2PG1po/2xMpqMIB5mNDv2Y/V/e0WkBJdZ+YtKCo8TGO+8ZiYzz BTauswBfylbnJl7dsYpcfOBVt/8oLhJxDNbds= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :x-thread-url:x-message-url:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe :content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=LM2KCp2+UagZk7M0DKI+Jb2cl40r+E3u986dBb5Sbm+3qRzuuZXEScJoFDAY1aQg8O OUWGuaCdxuDw/QVpA1tXwUtnl6GA9iHUgD8u4Z2fmZaQvNHs4NzSaMBpBJVrM6ThSujh 9Aso332KOnLHw24rHP6G4FSAa7ZPtWxS+zQnA= Received: by 10.224.105.105 with SMTP id s41mr116425qao.17.1270977400617; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:16:40 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.42.12 with SMTP id q12ls513983qae.0.p; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:16:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.75.134 with SMTP id y6mr238374qaj.26.1270977398805; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.75.134 with SMTP id y6mr238373qaj.26.1270977398790; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.122]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 24si429172qyk.2.2010.04.11.02.16.38; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 02:16:38 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.122; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=nT04y92fg8rckuCBF7gKRMhlYwdqGk6tKF+UOdl7fjk= c=1 sm=0 a=RXJ5fAW3z7IA:10 a=jPJDawAOAc8A:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=FOEx9KJYBrfIt22GAlIA:9 a=m4ioi_ebs_vyIloSF3dzRfrv3HAA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:51555] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id A7/13-28028-67391CB4; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 09:16:38 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 8BDA85A36 for ; Sun, 11 Apr 2010 05:16:37 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Biting off way more than I can chew -- and loving it! Date: Sun, 11 Apr 2010 05:16:28 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <65acaf76-6714-432b-8ffd-c4fcb99a809e@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> In-Reply-To: <65acaf76-6714-432b-8ffd-c4fcb99a809e@y17g2000yqd.googlegroups.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201004110516.32188.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.122 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: X-Thread-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/t/cb7dd695a460ac23 X-Message-Url: http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners/msg/dee3c36066ec6a2a Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 2245 On Sunday 11 April 2010 01:06:17 Gearhead Shem Tov wrote: > This is my first post about lojban ever. I'm a Yank expat living in > Adelaide, South Australia. I'm a recovering engineer, a published SF > author, and I'm currently studying to be a sculptor (long story...). fi'i do > I have studied a couple languages very different to English -- two > years each of Japanese and German, with a smattering of Hebrew, > Russian, Spanish, and Swedish (and FORTRAN, Pascal, Modula 2, and > Forth :), so I know this project is very ambitious. I figure I'll > take it a sentence at a time with the notion that I'll have to ask > lots of naive questions and my translations will be crap at the > outset. As I progress I hope my questions will become monotonically > more interesting and the translation correspondingly smoother. To > keep me motivated I would probably blog the whole process (unless > somebody has a better suggestion); perhaps other beginners would find > such a blog of interest. Aha! Another Forthwright! > So, here is Naive Question # 1 (NQ1): > > In my cursory reading of lojban orthography I've found no instance of > an mn consonant cluster, but neither have I found a rule clearly > forbidding it. Would .OMni.LINguyl. be a reasonable -- or even legal > -- lojbanisation of "Omnilingual"? Or would it need to be more > like .omyniLINguyl. ? Besides the previously mentioned gismu, there are these lujvo: jagdimnalpei kamna'ujbi kamnakseltro kamnakseltru kamnakydzeseltru=20 kamnolraitru kamnynunpe'i komnicygau nimnaujizdunkri pamnabmi prulamna'a=20 ritkemna'aterjvi and the fu'ivla "suomne". For "Omnilingual", I'd use a lujvo or a cmevla made from rafsi. I tried to find "gear" in jbovlaste, and there isn't one. Is "denxislu" goo= d? Pierre --=20 La sal en el mar es m=E1s que en la sangre. Le sel dans la mer est plus que dans le sang. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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