Received: from mail-qy0-f167.google.com ([209.85.221.167]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O9SGA-0000HQ-Q7; Tue, 04 May 2010 17:14:48 -0700 Received: by mail-qy0-f167.google.com with SMTP id 39sf2610476qyk.10 for ; Tue, 04 May 2010 17:14:42 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received :received:date:in-reply-to:x-ip:references:user-agent :x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=iHKof9EJ+LamvUIPABEcqMDJ5uPLonEyTkElVxnLEL0=; b=xnxetvm3NhhM4n5DuKdGRsMdgzSTff+SA7iPVBw/dP6CIw9ZNphwNzM+UZQoOYNbwz nUVwnGvyq7+uZsCx55G26OUHG+lFWiXFbhG9xu44z8ZuKdy/z33B+kkiJCj/xjI/bLM5 4cTbkjoOEp4ltWZ0LRrfQwcE6nVJsMmxReWsU= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:in-reply-to:x-ip :references:user-agent:x-http-useragent:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; b=NuE86bwcVoXwRohlb9Of9H9afj3OLkeZ/HDCRye0+OwxAj02i6QiFalm9hQqlk/btD 6t9V/dBQq7hAvkY136JLQ03NKAKUHE7eT/7k3L2tPAorKV1IOrmgmDFzKRcfXZ+ToeV6 HLQpBn2vMlQPp6iXkUmGQLAmT9q2gWpmGk5lw= Received: by 10.224.97.169 with SMTP id l41mr982263qan.5.1273018479399; Tue, 04 May 2010 17:14:39 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.224.86.223 with SMTP id t31ls1382082qal.7.p; Tue, 04 May 2010 17:14:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.36.18 with SMTP id r18mr854613qad.5.1273018478410; Tue, 04 May 2010 17:14:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.202.40 with SMTP id e40mr2962575anq.50.1272854279924; Sun, 02 May 2010 19:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.101.202.40 with SMTP id e40mr2962573anq.50.1272854279885; Sun, 02 May 2010 19:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-yx0-f137.google.com (mail-yx0-f137.google.com [209.85.210.137]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id c29si7887335anc.3.2010.05.02.19.37.59; Sun, 02 May 2010 19:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of rbysamppi@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.137 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.210.137; Received: by yxe1 with SMTP id 1so1284579yxe.33 for ; Sun, 02 May 2010 19:37:59 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.151.89.10 with SMTP id r10mr764879ybl.76.1272854279827; Sun, 02 May 2010 19:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by k25g2000prh.googlegroups.com with HTTP; Sun, 2 May 2010 19:37:59 -0700 (PDT) Date: Sun, 2 May 2010 19:37:59 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-IP: 150.135.210.16 References: User-Agent: G2/1.0 X-HTTP-UserAgent: Mozilla/5.0 (Macintosh; U; Intel Mac OS X 10_6_3; en-us) AppleWebKit/531.22.7 (KHTML, like Gecko) Version/4.0.5 Safari/531.22.7,gzip(gfe) Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: la ciste lerfu be la ca. From: symuyn To: Lojban Beginners X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of rbysamppi@gmail.com designates 209.85.210.137 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=rbysamppi@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: rbysamppi@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 3114 In contrast, I like its aesthetics a lot. I would be interested in what a Lojban text in this writing system would look like=E2=80=94not that it's going to replace the Latin system. But thanks for bringing this to my attention. :) On May 2, 3:26=C2=A0pm, Jonathan Jones wrote: > I don't like it. The symbols are too similar, and I've got enough on my > plate learning the language without having to learn a new writing system > too. > > On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 2:31 PM, Geoffrey Stewart > wrote: > > > > > > > coi rodo > > > Recently I discovered something called the Shavian alphabet (or la cist= e > > lerfu be la ca., in my quick Lojban translation). It looks like somethi= ng > > that could be easily adapted for Lojban use, as it has already been ada= pted > > for Esperanto use. Here is the wikipedia entry on it: > >http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shavian_alphabet > > > And here is a font (two, in fact):http://www.demeyere.com/shavian/ > > > Obviously the letters for /t=CA=83/ (c), /d=CA=92/ (J), and /=C5=8B/ (N= ) would not be > > used. /j/ (j) and /w/ (w) would likewise not be used, as lojban uses > > vowels for that. /h/ (h) I am reluctant to use because it's so large an= d > > the lojbanic <'> should be less intrusive, so possibly the apostrophe c= ould > > just continue to be used. As for the vowels, A can be used for , e o= r Efor , > > I for , O for , M for , and a for . > > > The main problem is that the mapping onto the keyboard doesn't seem to = be > > very intuitive for some of the symbols, and will have you reaching for = the > > shift key more often than should be necessary. Nevertheless, it works f= ine > > with writing, and is a logical alphabet to go with a logical language. = Tell > > me what you think! > > > mu'o mi'e djefris. > > > -- > > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Grou= ps > > "Lojban Beginners" group. > > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > > . > > For more options, visit this group at > >http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > -- > mu'o mi'e .aionys. > > .i.a'o.e'e ko klama le bende pe denpa bu > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups= "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscrib= e@googlegroups.com. > For more options, visit this group athttp://groups.google.com/group/lojba= n-beginners?hl=3Den. --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. 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