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On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:
> I think there was a justification of this somewhere in LFB having to do with
> "typing"; you can't really want a thing, you want to have a thing, to eat a
> thing, etc. Whenever you want a thing in English, then, you want something
> to happen or be true having to do with that thing. Whereas you can "like" a
> thing; I can't think of a way to abstract "liking a thing" in the way that
> you can abstract "wanting a thing" in general.

mi pensi lo nu citka lo cakla
"I think of eating chocolate."

mi nelci lo nu citka lo cakla
"I like eating chocolate."

mi senva lo nu citka lo cakla
"I dream of eating chocolate."

mi djica lo nu citka lo cakla
"I want to eat chocolate."

mi pensi lo cakla
"I think of chocolate."

mi nelci lo cakla
"I like chocolate."

mi senva lo cakla
"I dream of chocolate."

mi djica lo cakla
"I want chocolate."

I don't see why "djica" should be different from the others.

mu'o m'e xorxes

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