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2010/5/5 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>

> On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>
> wrote:
> > I think there was a justification of this somewhere in LFB having to do
> with
> > "typing"; you can't really want a thing, you want to have a thing, to e=
at
> a
> > thing, etc. Whenever you want a thing in English, then, you want
> something
> > to happen or be true having to do with that thing. Whereas you can "lik=
e"
> a
> > thing; I can't think of a way to abstract "liking a thing" in the way
> that
> > you can abstract "wanting a thing" in general.
>
> mi pensi lo nu citka lo cakla
> "I think of eating chocolate."
>
> mi nelci lo nu citka lo cakla
> "I like eating chocolate."
>
> mi senva lo nu citka lo cakla
> "I dream of eating chocolate."
>
> mi djica lo nu citka lo cakla
> "I want to eat chocolate."
>
> mi pensi lo cakla
> "I think of chocolate."
>
> mi nelci lo cakla
> "I like chocolate."
>
> mi senva lo cakla
> "I dream of chocolate."
>
> mi djica lo cakla
> "I want chocolate."
>
> I don't see why "djica" should be different from the others.
>

It's been defined differently. That's the only reason I can see. I agree
that it doesn't need to be, but as long as the official definition of the
words says {se djica} must be an abstract, the Smart.fm entry needs to
reflect that. I'm certain that if/when the freeze is ended, djica's
dissimilarity will be eradicated.

>
> mu'o m'e xorxes
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/5/5 Jorge Llamb=EDas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>=
<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; b=
order-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 12:05 AM, Ian Johnson &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com">blindbravado@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
>
&gt; I think there was a justification of this somewhere in LFB having to d=
o with<br>
&gt; &quot;typing&quot;; you can&#39;t really want a thing, you want to hav=
e a thing, to eat a<br>
&gt; thing, etc. Whenever you want a thing in English, then, you want somet=
hing<br>
&gt; to happen or be true having to do with that thing. Whereas you can &qu=
ot;like&quot; a<br>
&gt; thing; I can&#39;t think of a way to abstract &quot;liking a thing&quo=
t; in the way that<br>
&gt; you can abstract &quot;wanting a thing&quot; in general.<br>
<br>
</div>mi pensi lo nu citka lo cakla<br>
&quot;I think of eating chocolate.&quot;<br>
<br>
mi nelci lo nu citka lo cakla<br>
&quot;I like eating chocolate.&quot;<br>
<br>
mi senva lo nu citka lo cakla<br>
&quot;I dream of eating chocolate.&quot;<br>
<br>
mi djica lo nu citka lo cakla<br>
&quot;I want to eat chocolate.&quot;<br>
<br>
mi pensi lo cakla<br>
&quot;I think of chocolate.&quot;<br>
<br>
mi nelci lo cakla<br>
&quot;I like chocolate.&quot;<br>
<br>
mi senva lo cakla<br>
&quot;I dream of chocolate.&quot;<br>
<br>
mi djica lo cakla<br>
&quot;I want chocolate.&quot;<br>
<br>
I don&#39;t see why &quot;djica&quot; should be different from the others.<=
br></blockquote><div><br>It&#39;s been defined differently. That&#39;s the =
only reason I can see. I agree that it doesn&#39;t need to be, but as long =
as the official definition of the words says {se djica} must be an abstract=
, the Smart.fm entry needs to reflect that. I&#39;m certain that if/when th=
e freeze is ended, djica&#39;s dissimilarity will be eradicated. <br>
</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex;=
 border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<br>
mu&#39;o m&#39;e xorxes<br>
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