Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1O9q6R-0000PC-4F; Wed, 05 May 2010 18:42:19 -0700 Received: by vws20 with SMTP id 20sf3243247vws.16 for ; Wed, 05 May 2010 18:42:08 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=pJJ+zPTLjnSZl3N8joYc0VjVbXyjVyPkF3PWsEbhIM4=; b=aOQp9KftB2W92tQNFY49kckw+0t2JkYJ4fpL3SGi3kS7G7CC09yxbVOBAy1gE1tRRq 9kHB7xPxSgYzComo3z7AOvHRoe/QlUHQBTlTeaP4NyxW87t+ErXk8SeOYTLlIwsdXYNl KGLTBxeJXsKT3me4UG9qXcsSMBmD6oUxQokYY= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=sjczGrtI0m7z22jE2KrCLnENZjLMK5bXzmSlsP9WC8OM4jjzTQ7oLcK1Kfj+aPqZ8Z g/ZjeKYjOqHOh8s1738BuiMyIAtVVuomAkVEJjdnNF4VmjWbT+4hwsCQ+o7BO5U0wC9z 7efXRM4WX59qyBrNiwwIiLye3RF3aMtL+gvXQ= Received: by 10.220.107.1 with SMTP id z1mr1517003vco.7.1273110125613; Wed, 05 May 2010 18:42:05 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.64.164 with SMTP id e36ls5095181vci.1.p; Wed, 05 May 2010 18:42:05 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.100.65 with SMTP id x1mr50524vcn.21.1273110124843; Wed, 05 May 2010 18:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.100.65 with SMTP id x1mr50523vcn.21.1273110124730; Wed, 05 May 2010 18:42:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f177.google.com (mail-qy0-f177.google.com [209.85.221.177]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id l27si347628vcr.6.2010.05.05.18.42.03; Wed, 05 May 2010 18:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.177 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.177; Received: by qyk7 with SMTP id 7so883709qyk.7 for ; Wed, 05 May 2010 18:42:03 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.8.4 with SMTP id f4mr7036805qaf.10.1273110123443; Wed, 05 May 2010 18:42:03 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.11 with HTTP; Wed, 5 May 2010 18:42:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: <2035EAA2-54C5-4259-BC7C-497A1CA2A4F5@mac.com> Date: Wed, 5 May 2010 22:42:03 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Proposed change to smart.fm items From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.177 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 1553 On Wed, May 5, 2010 at 10:21 PM, Ian Johnson wrote: > > As for that way of defining tolcaudji, that's defined with a {nu}, which is > pretty much what I was talking about. That makes perfect logical sense, > whereas I don't honestly see {mi djica ko'a} for a concrete {ko'a} making as > much sense as {mi djica tu'a ko'a} does. But that's only because you have already decided that lo se djica has to be a nu. If "ko'a broda ko'e" makes sense for some brivla, it shouldn't make any difference if that brivla is a gismu or a lujvo. If the brivla "tolcaudji" makes perfect logical sense, then a gismu with the same meaning should also make perfect logical sense. > As for {nelci} et al., I guess it depends on what you really want. I know I > wouldn't like it if {mi nelci ko'a} meant that {ko'a} had to be abstract, > but then I do like it that {mi djica ko'a} means that {ko'a} has to be > abstract. That's fine, of course, we all have our personal likes and dislikes. What I was objecting to is saying that an ordinary object as the x2 of djica wouldn't make "logical sense". To me it's the restriction that seems arbitrary and pointless. mu'o mi'e xorxes -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.