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From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 209.85.211.193 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016362849e0d1743c0485ee73f7 Content-Length: 8963 --0016362849e0d1743c0485ee73f7 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Completely secondarily to everything else (and like Top Hat Jones, I have no interest in learning any new writing system) (and I already knew about the Savian alphabet, FWIW), you can't use "la ca." for a name. "la" must b= e followed by a cmevla (a word ending in a consonant) or a valid selbri. "ca= " is neither. I suggest "cav" (since they already adjectivify it to "Shavian= " in English). --gejyspa On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Geoffrey Stewart wrote: > coi rodo > > Recently I discovered something called the Shavian alphabet (or la ciste > lerfu be la ca., in my quick Lojban translation). It looks like something > that could be easily adapted for Lojban use, as it has already been adapt= ed > for Esperanto use. Here is the wikipedia entry on it: > http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shavian_alphabet > > And here is a font (two, in fact): http://www.demeyere.com/shavian/ > > Obviously the letters for /t=CA=83/ (c), /d=CA=92/ (J), and /=C5=8B/ (N) = would not be > used. /j/ (j) and /w/ (w) would likewise not be used, as lojban uses > vowels for that. /h/ (h) I am reluctant to use because it's so large and > the lojbanic <'> should be less intrusive, so possibly the apostrophe cou= ld > just continue to be used. As for the vowels, A can be used for , e or = Efor , > I for , O for , M for , and a for . > > The main problem is that the mapping onto the keyboard doesn't seem to be > very intuitive for some of the symbols, and will have you reaching for th= e > shift key more often than should be necessary. Nevertheless, it works fin= e > with writing, and is a logical alphabet to go with a logical language. Te= ll > me what you think! > > mu'o mi'e djefris. > > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --0016362849e0d1743c0485ee73f7 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable =C2=A0 Completely secondarily to everything else (and like Top Hat Jones, I= have no interest in learning any new writing system) (and I already knew a= bout the Savian alphabet, FWIW), you can't use "la ca." for a= name.=C2=A0 "la" must be followed by a cmevla (a word ending in = a consonant) or a valid selbri.=C2=A0 "ca" is neither.=C2=A0 I su= ggest "cav" (since they already adjectivify it to "Shavian&q= uot; in English).

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On Sun, May 2, 2010 at 4:31 PM, Geoffrey St= ewart <geo= ffstewart56@gmail.com> wrote:
coi rodo
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Recently I discovered something called the Shavian alphabet (or la cis= te lerfu be la ca., in my quick Lojban translation). It looks like somethin= g that could be easily adapted for Lojban use, as it has already been adapt= ed for Esperanto use. Here is the wikipedia entry on it: http://en.wikiped= ia.org/wiki/Shavian_alphabet
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And here is a font (two, in fact): http://www.demeyere.com/shavian/
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Obviously the letters for
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The main problem is that the mapping onto the keyboard doesn't s= eem to be very intuitive for some of the symbols, and will have you reachin= g for the shift key more often than should be necessary. Nevertheless, it w= orks fine with writing, and is a logical alphabet to go with a logical lang= uage. Tell me what you think!
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mu'o mi'e djefris.
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/t=CA=83/ (c), /d=CA=92/ (J), and /=C5=8B/ (N)=C2=A0would not be used. /j/ (j) and /w/ (w) would likewise not be used, as lojban uses vowels for that. /h= / (= h)=C2=A0I am reluctant to use because it's so large and the lojb= anic <'> should be less intrusive, so possibly the apostrophe cou= ld just continue to be used. As for the vowels,=C2=A0A can be used for <a>, e=C2=A0or=C2=A0E for <e>, I for <i>,=C2=A0O for <o>, M for <u>, and=C2=A0a for <y>.