Received: from mail-qy0-f138.google.com ([209.85.221.138]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OA4aL-0008Pm-Qb; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:10:14 -0700 Received: by qyk2 with SMTP id 2sf79832qyk.20 for ; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:09:58 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=yXZTJOYkvSLhJctNprXSkDpn2Cuy6/FwsVgzvQ8pUGI=; b=krP8jUcZmGD9F0x9KnhTnf5OqnlC3sz/+WOMUV9dQ42NJFlW4FNSPnL+3OxVtfQsIs S/SR1fNV9XY7pxup1E9qnVb50vvuF1snqyu8YngJkjSNKSKjzFbZFMY8E5Ofm5ggRI+9 wt/hlwB0/XvAHuLzmGlJG34Rxkr+sFfmxdUBE= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; b=NRvvoltm9q96TK4BTI7vB0lSt2/T+uxDHfKMXlOaKwPMkzfJvUZIeclMHSxpgogyGx FGlbHYcVU2zIH+jiKW01+Fh3fZTAs2UvZXyFdK++bbQlk1rs6rSzoQim5Bo+izNltqF/ CXgVBX1g9y+JSK6aeote6un+ohfogPqru2ryM= Received: by 10.229.2.26 with SMTP id 26mr1247529qch.32.1273165795421; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:09:55 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.247.131 with SMTP id mc3ls4375070qcb.1.p; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.220.146 with SMTP id hy18mr1044130qcb.6.1273165794500; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.220.146 with SMTP id hy18mr1044129qcb.6.1273165794472; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 19si206121qyk.9.2010.05.06.10.09.54; Thu, 06 May 2010 10:09:54 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=cDoCBObb3cacPy303HW7MdnqOItAx7SMItS1sEIlEGs= c=1 sm=0 a=VsoUY3mdW54A:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=Q9fys5e9bTEA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=nPDgZEbh_iJougy8POgA:9 a=pVJ-OAR1mz5i830V6pqaJpuKYegA:4 a=PUjeQqilurYA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:38065] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge04.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id EA/1B-16464-0E7F2EB4; Thu, 06 May 2010 17:09:54 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id EC2A458BF for ; Thu, 6 May 2010 13:09:51 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Proposed change to smart.fm items Date: Thu, 6 May 2010 13:09:47 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: <2035EAA2-54C5-4259-BC7C-497A1CA2A4F5@mac.com> In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201005061309.49318.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 880 On Thursday 06 May 2010 12:32:13 Ian Johnson wrote: > Hmm...a relevant question: > .i ko'a goi lo fasnu .i ko'e goi lo fasnu > > Does {ko'a du ko'e} have a defined truth value now? If so, what is it? (I > suspect that it doesn't have a truth value yet.) It doesn't. "lo fasnu" can refer to any event, or to events in general, and there's no way to tell from those two sentences whether the two occurrences of "lo fasnu" refer to the same event. Pierre -- lo ponse be lo mruli po'o cu ga'ezga roda lo ka dinko -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.