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2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>

> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote=
:
> > 2010/5/6 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
> >>
> >> It doesn't mean however that you undersatnd something said in English.
> >> It means you understand something said about the English language.
> >
> > .xorxes., the definition of {ko'a jimpe fi ko'e} is "x1 understands (fi=
)
> > x3", not "x1 understands /something about/ (fi) x3". So {mi jimpe fi lo
> > glibau} means "I understand the English language".
>
> No, the definition of "jimpe" is  "x1 understands/comprehends
> fact/truth x2 (du'u) about subject x3; x1 understands (fi) x3". You
> can't just ignore the first part.
>
> I'm not ignoring it. I'm talking about {zo'e jimpe fi zo'e}, not {zo'e
jimpe zo'e zo'e}. And I completely disagree with the below.


>      la djan jimpe fi la meris
>      John understands Mary.
>
> does not mean that John understands what Mary says, even though that's
> what the English gloss may suggest. It means that John understands
> some fact(s) about Mary.
>
>      la djan jimpe fi lo glibau
>      John understands English.
>
> does not mean that John understands things said in English, even
> though that's what the English gloss suggests. It means that John
> understands some fact(s) about English.
>
> mu'o mi'e xorxes
>
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;=
<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span>=
<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; b=
order-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 11:19 AM, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt; 2010/5/6 Jorge Llamb=EDas &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com">=
jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt;<br>
&gt;&gt;<br>
</div><div class=3D"im">&gt;&gt; It doesn&#39;t mean however that you under=
satnd something said in English.<br>
&gt;&gt; It means you understand something said about the English language.=
<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; .xorxes., the definition of {ko&#39;a jimpe fi ko&#39;e} is &quot;x1 u=
nderstands (fi)<br>
&gt; x3&quot;, not &quot;x1 understands /something about/ (fi) x3&quot;. So=
 {mi jimpe fi lo<br>
&gt; glibau} means &quot;I understand the English language&quot;.<br>
<br>
</div>No, the definition of &quot;jimpe&quot; is =A0&quot;x1 understands/co=
mprehends<br>
fact/truth x2 (du&#39;u) about subject x3; x1 understands (fi) x3&quot;. Yo=
u<br>
can&#39;t just ignore the first part.<br>
<br></blockquote><div>I&#39;m not ignoring it. I&#39;m talking about {zo&#3=
9;e jimpe fi zo&#39;e}, not {zo&#39;e jimpe zo&#39;e zo&#39;e}. And I compl=
etely disagree with the below.<br>=A0</div><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote=
" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, =
204); padding-left: 1ex;">

 =A0 =A0 =A0la djan jimpe fi la meris<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0John understands Mary.<br>
<br>
does not mean that John understands what Mary says, even though that&#39;s<=
br>
what the English gloss may suggest. It means that John understands<br>
some fact(s) about Mary.<br>
<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0la djan jimpe fi lo glibau<br>
 =A0 =A0 =A0John understands English.<br>
<br>
does not mean that John understands things said in English, even<br>
though that&#39;s what the English gloss suggests. It means that John<br>
understands some fact(s) about English.<br>
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes<br>
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