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I really don't like that translation.  "used by" means {pilno} to me which
is different from comprehending a thing.  If {jimpe} doesn't mean what the
english "understand" means, then what does?  It seems like the concept of
conprehending a thing would be one of those most basic concepts that
practical communication needs.

On May 7, 2010 2:16 PM, "Jorge Llamb=EDas" <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:

On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
> But if this is what jim...
I suppose one may know that 56 is a multiple of 7 without
understanding it, but I didn't define the gismu.


> In that case, jimpe
> is far more useless than I previously realized.
Most of the propositional attitude gismu are more useless than they
look at first sight, yes.


> I don't think I can accept that.
You are not alone.


> How would you say "john understands english" in lojban, xorxes?  (And {la
> djan se bangu le glib...
Well, that's how I would say it in any case. To me it means that John
is languaged by English, not that he is specifically making use of it
right now.


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<p>I really don&#39;t like that translation.=A0 &quot;used by&quot; means {=
pilno} to me which is different from comprehending a thing. =A0If {jimpe} d=
oesn&#39;t mean what the english &quot;understand&quot; means, then what do=
es? =A0It seems like the concept of conprehending a thing would be one of t=
hose most basic concepts that practical communication needs.</p>

<p></p><blockquote type=3D"cite">On May 7, 2010 2:16 PM, &quot;Jorge Llamb=
=EDas&quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">j=
jllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br><br><p><font color=3D"#500050">On Fri=
, May 7, 2010 at 3:08 PM, Luke Bergen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lukeabergen@gma=
il.com" target=3D"_blank">lukeabergen@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>

&gt; But if this is what jim...</font></p>I suppose one may know that 56 is=
 a multiple of 7 without<br>
understanding it, but I didn&#39;t define the gismu.<br>
<p><font color=3D"#500050"><br>&gt;=A0In that case, jimpe<br>&gt; is far mo=
re useless than I previously realized.<br></font></p>Most of the propositio=
nal attitude gismu are more useless than they<br>
look at first sight, yes.<br>
<p><font color=3D"#500050"><br>&gt; I don&#39;t think I can accept that.<br=
></font></p>You are not alone.<br>
<p><font color=3D"#500050"><br>&gt; How would you say &quot;john understand=
s english&quot; in lojban, xorxes? =A0(And {la<br>&gt; djan se bangu le gli=
b...</font></p>Well, that&#39;s how I would say it in any case. To me it me=
ans that John<br>


is languaged by English, not that he is specifically making use of it<br>
right now.<br>
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