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2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>

> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> > I'm talking about {zo'e jimpe fi zo'e}, not {zo'e jimpe
> > zo'e zo'e}.
>
> But those two have identical meanings. "zo'e" is the equivalent to
> leaving a place empty.
>

I don't agree. When I see a definition like  "x1 understands/comprehends
fact/truth x2 (du'u) about subject x3; x1 understands (fi) x3, I take it to
mean that
{zo'e jimpe zo'e zo'e} means  "x1 understands/comprehends fact/truth x2
(du'u) about subject x3"
{zo'e jimpe fi zo'e} means " "x1 understands (fi) x3"

I don't limit this to just {jimpe}:
facki "x1 discovers/finds out x2 (du'u) about subject/object x3; x1 finds
(fi) x3 (object)"
{zo'e facki zo'e zo'e} "x1 discovers/finds out x2 (du'u) about
subject/object x3"
{zo'e facki fi zo'e} "x1 finds (fi) x3 (object)"

frati "x1 reacts/responds/answers with action x2 to stimulus x3 under
conditions x4; x1 is responsive"
{zo'e frati zo'e zo'e zo'e} "x1 reacts/responds/answers with action x2 to
stimulus x3 under conditions x4"
{zo'e frati} "x1 is responsive"

fulta "x1 (passive) floats on/in fluid (gas/liquid) x2; x1 is buoyant"
{zo'e fulta zo'e} "x1 (passive) floats on/in fluid (gas/liquid) x2"
{zo'e fulta} "x1 is buoyant"


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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <span dir=3D"l=
tr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jjllambias@gmail.com">jjllambias@gmail.com</a>&gt=
;</span><br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt =
0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 2:56 PM, Jonathan Jones &lt;<a hre=
f=3D"mailto:eyeonus@gmail.com">eyeonus@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; I&#39;m talking about {zo&#39;e jimpe fi zo&#39;e}, not {zo&#39;e jimp=
e<br>
&gt; zo&#39;e zo&#39;e}.<br>
<br>
</div>But those two have identical meanings. &quot;zo&#39;e&quot; is the eq=
uivalent to<br>
leaving a place empty.<br></blockquote><div><br>I don&#39;t agree. When I s=
ee a definition like=A0 &quot;x1 understands/comprehends fact/truth x2 (du&=
#39;u) about subject x3; x1 understands (fi) x3, I take it to mean that<br>
{zo&#39;e jimpe zo&#39;e zo&#39;e} means=A0 &quot;x1 understands/comprehend=
s fact/truth x2 (du&#39;u) about subject x3&quot;<br>{zo&#39;e jimpe fi zo&=
#39;e} means &quot; &quot;x1 understands (fi) x3&quot;<br><br>I don&#39;t l=
imit this to just {jimpe}:<br>
facki &quot;x1 discovers/finds out x2 (du&#39;u) about subject/object x3; x=
1 finds (fi) x3 (object)&quot;<br>{zo&#39;e facki zo&#39;e zo&#39;e} &quot;=
x1 discovers/finds out x2 (du&#39;u) about subject/object x3&quot;<br>{zo&#=
39;e facki fi zo&#39;e} &quot;x1 finds (fi) x3 (object)&quot;<br>
<br>frati     &quot;x1 reacts/responds/answers with action x2 to stimulus x=
3 under conditions x4; x1 is responsive&quot;<br>{zo&#39;e frati zo&#39;e z=
o&#39;e zo&#39;e} &quot;x1 reacts/responds/answers with action x2 to stimul=
us x3 under=20
conditions x4&quot;<br>{zo&#39;e frati} &quot;x1 is responsive&quot;<br><br=
>fulta &quot;x1 (passive) floats on/in fluid (gas/liquid) x2; x1 is buoyant=
&quot;<br>{zo&#39;e fulta zo&#39;e} &quot;x1 (passive) floats on/in fluid (=
gas/liquid) x2&quot;<br>
{zo&#39;e fulta} &quot;x1 is buoyant&quot;<br><br></div><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid=
 rgb(204, 204, 204); padding-left: 1ex;">
<div><div></div><div class=3D"h5"><br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e xorxes<br>
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