2010/5/7 Jorge Llamb=EDas <= jjllambias@gmail.com>=

On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 4:15 PM, Jonathan Jones <eyeonus@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I don't agree. When I see a definition like=A0 "x1 understand= s/comprehends
> fact/truth x2 (du'u) about subject x3; x1 understands (fi) x3, I t= ake it to
> mean that
> {zo'e jimpe zo'e zo'e} means=A0 "x1 understands/compr= ehends fact/truth x2
> (du'u) about subject x3"
> {zo'e jimpe fi zo'e} means " "x1 understands (fi) x3= "

You can ask lojbab, who wrote the definition. I'm pretty sure he = did
not intend for "zo'e jimpe zo'e zo'e" to mean anythin= g different to
"zo'e jimpe fi zo'e".

See: h= ttp://jbotcan.org/docs/cll/c7/s7.html for how "zo'e" is s= upposed to work.

mi djuno lodu'u te pilno ku z= o zo'e .ije mi djuno lodu'u zo zo'e drata zo zi'o

> I don't limit this to just {jimpe}:
> facki "x1 discovers/finds out x2 (du'u) about subject/object = x3; x1 finds
> (fi) x3 (object)"
> {zo'e facki zo'e zo'e} "x1 discovers/finds out x2 (du= 'u) about
> subject/object x3"
> {zo'e facki fi zo'e} "x1 finds (fi) x3 (object)"

But "facki fi da" does not mean "tolcri da".
<= /blockquote>

When the tomb of Tutankamen was discovered, I would ca= ll that {ko'a facki fi ko'e}, regardless of whether {ko'a tolcr= i ko'e} is true.

> frati "x1 reacts/responds/answers with action x2 to stimulus x3 u= nder
> conditions x4; x1 is responsive"
> {zo'e frati zo'e zo'e zo'e} "x1 reacts/responds/a= nswers with action x2 to
> stimulus x3 under conditions x4"
> {zo'e frati} "x1 is responsive"

What's the differnce between responding and being responsive?
=

Responding is an event. Being responsive is a propert= y.

> fulta "x1 (passive) floats on/in fluid (gas/liquid) x2; x1 is buo= yant"
> {zo'e fulta zo'e} "x1 (passive) floats on/in fluid (gas/l= iquid) x2"
> {zo'e fulta} "x1 is buoyant"

What's the difference between floating and being buoyant? Are you=
thinking of a ca'a/ka'e distinction? It is not related to the prese= nce
or absence of an explicit x2.
=A0
Floating i= s an event. Being buoyant is a property.

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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