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Ok then, better example.  How would you say "I understand why people steal"?
 I would guess it would be something like {mi djuno lo du'u makau cu krinu
je rinka lo nu lo prenu cu zerle'a} but god is that clumsy.  And it still
feels like it's just flirting with the idea of comprehension and not
actually addressing it.

On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:02 PM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 7 May 2010 19:08, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> How would you say "john understands english" in lojban, xorxes?  (And {la
>> djan se bangu le glibau} says that he uses it, not that he understands
>> it/knows it).
>>
>
> "John understands English" means that something can be communicated to John
> by means of English. And this is what {la djan se bangu le glibau} means, is
> it not? Being capable of understanding a language is being capable of using
> a system of words in interpreting information encoded with that system. If
> by "use" you mean an actual application of the ability, that's something to
> be made explicit with {ca}, {ca'a}, etc.
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Ok then, better example. =A0How would you say &quot;I understand why people=
 steal&quot;? =A0I would guess it would be something like {mi djuno lo du&#=
39;u makau cu krinu je rinka lo nu lo prenu cu zerle&#39;a} but god is that=
 clumsy. =A0And it still feels like it&#39;s just flirting with the idea of=
 comprehension and not actually addressing it.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:02 PM, tijlan <span=
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nderstands English&quot; means that something can be communicated to John b=
y means of English. And this is what {la djan se bangu le glibau} means, is=
 it not? Being capable of understanding a language is being capable of usin=
g a system of words in interpreting information encoded with that system. I=
f by &quot;use&quot; you mean an actual application of the ability, that&#3=
9;s something to be made explicit with {ca}, {ca&#39;a}, etc.<br>

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