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On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:

> Ok then, better example.  How would you say "I understand why people
> steal"?  I would guess it would be something like {mi djuno lo du'u makau cu
> krinu je rinka lo nu lo prenu cu zerle'a} but god is that clumsy.  And it
> still feels like it's just flirting with the idea of comprehension and not
> actually addressing it.


I would've used jimpe instead of djuno, and I wouldn't have used rinka: {mi
jimpe fi lodu'u makau krinu lonu lo prenu cu zerle'a}

>
>
> On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:02 PM, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:
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>> On 7 May 2010 19:08, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> How would you say "john understands english" in lojban, xorxes?  (And {la
>>> djan se bangu le glibau} says that he uses it, not that he understands
>>> it/knows it).
>>>
>>
>> "John understands English" means that something can be communicated to
>> John by means of English. And this is what {la djan se bangu le glibau}
>> means, is it not? Being capable of understanding a language is being capable
>> of using a system of words in interpreting information encoded with that
>> system. If by "use" you mean an actual application of the ability, that's
>> something to be made explicit with {ca}, {ca'a}, etc.
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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Luke Ber=
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Ok then, better example. =A0How would you say &quot;I understand why people=
 steal&quot;? =A0I would guess it would be something like {mi djuno lo du&#=
39;u makau cu krinu je rinka lo nu lo prenu cu zerle&#39;a} but god is that=
 clumsy. =A0And it still feels like it&#39;s just flirting with the idea of=
 comprehension and not actually addressing it.</blockquote>
<div><br>I would&#39;ve used jimpe instead of djuno, and I wouldn&#39;t hav=
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<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Fri, May 7, 2010 at 3:02 PM, tijlan <span=
 dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jbotijlan@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">j=
botijlan@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>On 7 May 2010 19:08, Luke Bergen <span dir=
=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lukeabergen@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">luk=
eabergen@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quot=
e" style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204,=
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<div>How would you say &quot;john understands english&quot; in lojban, xorx=
es? =A0(And {la djan se bangu le glibau} says that he uses it, not that he =
understands it/knows it).<br></div></blockquote></div><div><br>&quot;John u=
nderstands English&quot; means that something can be communicated to John b=
y means of English. And this is what {la djan se bangu le glibau} means, is=
 it not? Being capable of understanding a language is being capable of usin=
g a system of words in interpreting information encoded with that system. I=
f by &quot;use&quot; you mean an actual application of the ability, that&#3=
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