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From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.53 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=nobody@digitalkingdom.org; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016e648a618d63a1204862fc81b Content-Length: 1979 --0016e648a618d63a1204862fc81b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 What happens if the seltau and tertau are identical? Does the seltau only contribute its "different" meaning to the tertau in forming the tanru, and so something like "mother kind of mother" is redundant and unnecessary? Or could {mamta mamta} be a way of saying "grandmother" (perhaps "maternal grandmother")? Also (in the spirit of what brought me to this thought in the first place): .i ko se pluka lo djedi pe lo mamta mu'o mi'e latros. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0016e648a618d63a1204862fc81b Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable What happens if the seltau and tertau are identical? Does the seltau only c= ontribute its "different" meaning to the tertau in forming the ta= nru, and so something like "mother kind of mother" is redundant a= nd unnecessary? Or could {mamta mamta} be a way of saying "grandmother= " (perhaps "maternal grandmother")?

Also (in the spirit of what brought me to this thought in the first pla= ce):
.i ko se pluka lo djedi pe lo mamta

mu'o mi'e latros= .

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