Received: from mail-wy0-f189.google.com ([74.125.82.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OBrnJ-0003Ie-68; Tue, 11 May 2010 08:55:00 -0700 Received: by wyb36 with SMTP id 36sf2289324wyb.16 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 08:54:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:x-virus-scanned:received:received :message-id:date:from:user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references :in-reply-to:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender :reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help :list-archive:sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=PYarnMHkk/oA2G6cpZI+WeZ48GtOQzgAawuK6Wj2rSQ=; b=pfkgCLSDy0vgXfJ19hZ+K2KpQcXf1M6/kkgIDRs74tCNLiRuDtRyhQG+bS60BMu5s2 8sgT5RbebxbXc0Lyev/1ngjjtYHf6RV7zz9LoBNfsiDeel/yTX5o561A8p8NmSljYMMb oF8SOCR7zgI3JVqPkRSa7brR+uOVH9MB/WpNo= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-virus-scanned:message-id:date:from :user-agent:mime-version:to:subject:references:in-reply-to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=F5pf4dz3OakIRrPPXJnRc3FK13RGhD47qEgsR6yzi3CsYXT3LMG3/+CwcegdTbC9+F +CGfEHAjL6fNuz17qnMY/V7bDzMb1zEJG3jIsAOyMMZztLmAO8N47RsbbKPNdTas76jw +A+gbX7FijpewTVbvt4dQiJvxMyzyZqva3fFc= Received: by 10.223.81.194 with SMTP id y2mr659500fak.4.1273593283195; Tue, 11 May 2010 08:54:43 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.213.37.73 with SMTP id w9ls5186067ebd.0.p; Tue, 11 May 2010 08:54:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.42.8 with SMTP id q8mr771711ebe.14.1273593279552; Tue, 11 May 2010 08:54:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.213.42.8 with SMTP id q8mr771709ebe.14.1273593279523; Tue, 11 May 2010 08:54:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail.wouldyoubuythis.net (mail.wybt.net [195.191.196.3]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 12si434980ewy.10.2010.05.11.08.54.39; Tue, 11 May 2010 08:54:39 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 195.191.196.3 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de) client-ip=195.191.196.3; Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mail.wouldyoubuythis.net (Postfix) with ESMTP id 5632048684 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 17:53:51 +0200 (CEST) X-Virus-Scanned: Debian amavisd-new at mail.wybt.net Received: from mail.wouldyoubuythis.net ([127.0.0.1]) by localhost (mail.wybt.net [127.0.0.1]) (amavisd-new, port 10024) with ESMTP id N+pd0mV1rfE2 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 17:53:50 +0200 (CEST) Received: from [IPv6:2001:6f8:1c57:24:216:eaff:feb3:4a04] (unknown [IPv6:2001:6f8:1c57:24:216:eaff:feb3:4a04]) by mail.wouldyoubuythis.net (Postfix) with ESMTPSA id C28C848671 for ; Tue, 11 May 2010 17:53:50 +0200 (CEST) Message-ID: <4BE97DBB.4060404@perpetuum-immobile.de> Date: Tue, 11 May 2010 17:54:35 +0200 From: Timo Paulssen User-Agent: Mozilla-Thunderbird 2.0.0.22 (X11/20091109) MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] sei vs to References: In-Reply-To: X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 195.191.196.3 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de) smtp.mail=timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de X-Original-Sender: timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Length: 931 tijlan wrote: > {sei} and {to}... When should we use which? What is the difference between a > discursive element and a parenthetical element? > > mu'o mi'e tijlan In my experience, a sei is more special. You can use it in place of words like {pe'i}, {ka'u}, {ja'o} and friends. So in la alis you will find a sentence like {ma prali sei la alis pensi fi lo cukta be cau lo pixra} or something similar. {to}, on the other hand would be something you'd say yourself, while if you find a sei in a quote, it could very well also come from the quoter. mu'o mi'e timos -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.