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That brings up a question for me.  In that sentence that you gave tijlan,
what about the text tells us that the {fi lo cukta...} applies to the
{prali} and not to the {pensi}?  Does {sei} take a bridi, a selbri, or
something else?  What terminates a {sei} or is the idea of terminating {sei}
as absurd as terminating {zo}?  I've perused the CLL but {sei} isn't
documented very well there from what I have found.

On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Timo Paulssen <
timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de> wrote:

> tijlan wrote:
> > {sei} and {to}... When should we use which? What is the difference
> between a
> > discursive element and a parenthetical element?
> >
> > mu'o mi'e tijlan
>
> In my experience, a sei is more special. You can use it in place of
> words like {pe'i}, {ka'u}, {ja'o} and friends. So in la alis you will
> find a sentence like {ma prali sei la alis pensi fi lo cukta be cau lo
> pixra} or something similar.
>
> {to}, on the other hand would be something you'd say yourself, while if
> you find a sei in a quote, it could very well also come from the quoter.
>
> mu'o mi'e timos
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That brings up a question for me. =A0In that sentence that you gave tijlan,=
 what about the text tells us that the {fi lo cukta...} applies to the {pra=
li} and not to the {pensi}? =A0Does {sei} take a bridi, a selbri, or someth=
ing else? =A0What terminates a {sei} or is the idea of terminating {sei} as=
 absurd as terminating {zo}? =A0I&#39;ve perused the CLL but {sei} isn&#39;=
t documented very well there from what I have found.<br>
<br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, May 11, 2010 at 11:54 AM, Timo Pauls=
sen <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de=
">timonator@perpetuum-immobile.de</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote clas=
s=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;pad=
ding-left:1ex;">
<div class=3D"im">tijlan wrote:<br>
&gt; {sei} and {to}... When should we use which? What is the difference bet=
ween a<br>
&gt; discursive element and a parenthetical element?<br>
&gt;<br>
&gt; mu&#39;o mi&#39;e tijlan<br>
<br>
</div>In my experience, a sei is more special. You can use it in place of<b=
r>
words like {pe&#39;i}, {ka&#39;u}, {ja&#39;o} and friends. So in la alis yo=
u will<br>
find a sentence like {ma prali sei la alis pensi fi lo cukta be cau lo<br>
pixra} or something similar.<br>
<br>
{to}, on the other hand would be something you&#39;d say yourself, while if=
<br>
you find a sei in a quote, it could very well also come from the quoter.<br=
>
<br>
mu&#39;o mi&#39;e timos<br>
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