Received: from mail-pz0-f165.google.com ([209.85.222.165]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OGfTG-0004bG-L4; Mon, 24 May 2010 14:46:11 -0700 Received: by pzk37 with SMTP id 37sf1047983pzk.25 for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 14:45:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:received:received :mime-version:received:received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=G7jRtbAjQmV+SH+1tk6prgq45PIdoUy6WiRS/8btwac=; b=dOCaFXfuJQTaicMR901SLQmmo0tpCMc3dG/+stRBizDVhB3P3EeunthAtJcQFsJc0k kdwy5/hN+L66rVvwpRyKT1d7InNffeIT8+vXUAcZnoqfKpY1YE3tZJ/C2pJzoch2urjg zYHZS/UuGguTvn/VnssNphy8PUnM66ibzbQng= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=v0XGAxOfGuFhPxFXzoIU9Rmqtp/FKoUQEm7QNJy4X3A5sISDLvUh15IQLrdYRe5TsR hu6WrXofdTXsEcF4ozNRF4hAExoWtNd0vg83wRQ75bDsCVWhzf9emSZuQXDu0h41jwvQ dKfFFVBxSgvz96gnA2TkYyM21eFvW2J9E1XoM= Received: by 10.115.100.23 with SMTP id c23mr824592wam.20.1274737554027; Mon, 24 May 2010 14:45:54 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.103.33 with SMTP id f33ls3219961wam.3.p; Mon, 24 May 2010 14:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.69.11 with SMTP id r11mr2532293waa.47.1274737552102; Mon, 24 May 2010 14:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.114.69.11 with SMTP id r11mr2532292waa.47.1274737552067; Mon, 24 May 2010 14:45:52 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.49]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e19si6901342wam.4.2010.05.24.14.45.50; Mon, 24 May 2010 14:45:50 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.49 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.49; Received: (qmail 4087 invoked from network); 24 May 2010 21:45:50 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail5.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 24 May 2010 21:45:50 -0000 Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OGfT3-0004b4-PJ for lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; Mon, 24 May 2010 14:45:49 -0700 Received: from mail-qy0-f183.google.com ([209.85.221.183]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OGfSw-0004af-Qv for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 24 May 2010 14:45:49 -0700 Received: by qyk13 with SMTP id 13so6083797qyk.1 for ; Mon, 24 May 2010 14:45:36 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.182.16 with SMTP id ca16mr1272415qcb.88.1274737536290; Mon, 24 May 2010 14:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.37.4 with HTTP; Mon, 24 May 2010 14:45:36 -0700 (PDT) Date: Mon, 24 May 2010 17:45:36 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] tcati From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.49 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=nobody@digitalkingdom.org; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=0016363101cb08513604875df663 Content-Length: 2421 --0016363101cb08513604875df663 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Why doesn't tcati have a species place? I intuitively went to say: mi nelci loi tcati be la'o ly. aspalathus linearis ly. by which I meant "I like tea of the species *aspalathus linearis*." which is to say "I like rooibos tea.", thinking that tcati was defined as: "x1 is a quantity of tea brewed from leaves of species x2." or (in this case I would've been incorrect regardless, but it would make more sense this way): "x1 is a quantity of tea brewed from leaves x2 of species x3." Why isn't it defined in a way anything like this? Is there an "of species" sumti tcita? Preferably a bit more restricted than {le'a}? mu'o mi'e latros. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --0016363101cb08513604875df663 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Why doesn't tcati have a species place? I intuitively went to say:
m= i nelci loi tcati be la'o ly. aspalathus linearis ly.
by which I mea= nt "I like tea of the species aspalathus linearis." which = is to say "I like rooibos tea.", thinking that tcati was defined = as:
"x1 is a quantity of tea brewed from leaves of species x2."
or= (in this case I would've been incorrect regardless, but it would make = more sense this way):
"x1 is a quantity of tea brewed from leaves x= 2 of species x3."

Why isn't it defined in a way anything like this? Is there an "= ;of species" sumti tcita? Preferably a bit more restricted than {le= 9;a}?

mu'o mi'e latros.

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