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On 25 May 2010 14:08, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

> Also, your comment about {loi}: is that a xorlo concept I didn't know
> about?
>
>
In LFB there is the example:
> la bil. ze'u pinxe loi birje
> which is justified by saying that we do not drink "a beer but rather some
> beer". This is from
> http://www.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/less6selbritime.html<http://www.tlg.uci.edu/%7Eopoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/less6selbritime.html>
>
> But then in xorlo {lo birje} isn't "something which really is a beer"
> anymore (necessarily), but "one or more thing(s) associated with beer
> considered individually". Is that what's going on?
>

{lo birje}, as I see it, is one or more individual quantity/quantities of
beer. The quantity can be measured as continuous magnitude such as "284
millilitres" or "0.5 pints", but also as non-continuous multitude such as
"one" or "ten" when the focus is on the demarcation of the quantity as a
countable entity. "0.5 pints beer in a bottle" is most likely both a
continuous quantity (0.5 pints) and a countable quantity (one). The
inner/outer quantifiers of {lo} deal only with the countable quantity
(including {pi PA}), I guess.

So, {pinxe loi birje} to me sounds more like drinking beer from multiple
bottles simultaneously (through multiple straws, perhaps).

It's unlikely but not impossible that one bottle of beer be {loi birje}, if
the bottle's internal space is divided, resulting in separate quantities of
beer.

mu'o mi'e tijlan

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 25 May 2010 14:08, Ian Johnson <span dir=3D"l=
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<br>But then in xorlo {lo birje} isn&#39;t &quot;something which really is =
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</blockquote><div><br>{lo birje}, as I see it, is one or more individual qu=
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ity (0.5 pints) and a countable quantity (one). The inner/outer quantifiers=
 of {lo} deal only with the countable quantity (including {pi PA}), I guess=
.<br>
<br>So, {pinxe loi birje} to me sounds more like drinking beer from multipl=
e bottles simultaneously (through multiple straws, perhaps).<br><br>It&#39;=
s unlikely but not impossible that one bottle of beer be {loi birje}, if th=
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