Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OGwFA-0004Dy-Pj; Tue, 25 May 2010 08:40:41 -0700 Received: by vws8 with SMTP id 8sf181611vws.16 for ; Tue, 25 May 2010 08:40:30 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-transfer-encoding; bh=WET97/Js/hkPfZIDjHB6qOTqvnXdNgFehzYqKnqGknI=; b=xmKV1E8qwZBTxOKHax70xPp6HsI099CvXYYGkf28cl8Sjt2qryaQuUtxnY3ai2+L5P 40x8KdhPSB9dNdHRX5YhMqRF+bBxQ1Um/1/VvUnnE/RcMteeCmjWzulcZnLkNtu5X+yC IdiKNm5F+60JvQAmItgQ7Gbnw4EXUNAmKjpyc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; b=2wRI3LZz/ncCSHatwLYalp8xWYJd/RJhlgGELRTvFeJs+fZ+3FwX7NUPd4zQKC6DHM +5i7IL9VENqibidnPgPiTFdEGAZyKpi4NV+B59+XFmk1TjZ1orzON6OEENm3KkB6/+j4 Bk58CMOcv2y2i/hV3IfjNR360ZMLgNQvuyDhc= Received: by 10.220.107.202 with SMTP id c10mr380547vcp.23.1274802027619; Tue, 25 May 2010 08:40:27 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.79.22 with SMTP id n22ls1545963vck.3.p; Tue, 25 May 2010 08:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.164.193 with SMTP id f1mr1751087vcy.7.1274802026791; Tue, 25 May 2010 08:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.164.193 with SMTP id f1mr1751086vcy.7.1274802026723; Tue, 25 May 2010 08:40:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-qy0-f194.google.com (mail-qy0-f194.google.com [209.85.221.194]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id b14si3774650vcx.1.2010.05.25.08.40.25; Tue, 25 May 2010 08:40:25 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.194 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.221.194; Received: by mail-qy0-f194.google.com with SMTP id 32so7658184qyk.0 for ; Tue, 25 May 2010 08:40:25 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.94.65 with SMTP id y1mr4084192qam.136.1274802022408; Tue, 25 May 2010 08:40:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.82.11 with HTTP; Tue, 25 May 2010 08:40:20 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 12:40:20 -0300 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] tcati From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of jjllambias@gmail.com designates 209.85.221.194 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=jjllambias@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Length: 953 On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Ian Johnson wrot= e: > > But then in xorlo {lo birje} isn't "something which really is a beer" > anymore (necessarily), but=A0"one or more thing(s) associated with beer > considered individually". Neither "associated with" nor "considered individually" sounds right. I would say "lo birje" is just "beer". mi pinxe lo birje "I drink beer." lo birje cu ta'e jikru lo bavmi "Beer is generally brewed from barley." e'o ko dunda lo va birje mi "Please give me that beer over there." mu'o mi'e xorxes --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den.