Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OGwLW-0004i2-AR; Tue, 25 May 2010 08:47:14 -0700 Received: by vws8 with SMTP id 8sf196201vws.16 for ; Tue, 25 May 2010 08:47:03 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=2D3qv70DbS9xZztO18Irr11eE0abZehCZEJo2mmmDRg=; b=Vu8WU+JcpjN0cKLMjl0/bn5iJWqhfsr2CnF8iGCU9A0pmNUq+KTK7smYLY4ddVvygX mKC3Z+9CfeHHs8d05zPqBTn5KKknOD2lpgTSNw7744Zt/0g0I7i/G1SvEUJnUrEW4qwN 6fz9hupNzJ/NPNN7S54h/C6vc12+8jF3JUZsc= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=HOdDlG3Gw6HkHmG+EzVJ1Gd18dfIlB0iaUUFCkgzYWEo05wUlXYxSAv+7iDMS9pL2l w2gvXoMEPLpTkL65cu83oKOBX3DXcBexF4nld0ookhFxwl9sO2w0ELEAlYlxo6htIxgc 79O9984wfT0LLNKzsvmNnYPAYK4kJGv73VKB0= Received: by 10.229.142.78 with SMTP id p14mr1208667qcu.3.1274802420431; Tue, 25 May 2010 08:47:00 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.229.179.165 with SMTP id bq37ls2764198qcb.3.p; Tue, 25 May 2010 08:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.52.208 with SMTP id j16mr757598qag.12.1274802419675; Tue, 25 May 2010 08:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.224.52.208 with SMTP id j16mr757597qag.12.1274802419645; Tue, 25 May 2010 08:46:59 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-vw0-f46.google.com (mail-vw0-f46.google.com [209.85.212.46]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id 18si741188qyk.12.2010.05.25.08.46.58; Tue, 25 May 2010 08:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) client-ip=209.85.212.46; Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so3317058vws.5 for ; Tue, 25 May 2010 08:46:58 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.220.124.15 with SMTP id s15mr5158509vcr.77.1274802418316; Tue, 25 May 2010 08:46:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.94.77 with HTTP; Tue, 25 May 2010 08:46:58 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: References: Date: Tue, 25 May 2010 11:46:58 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] tcati From: Luke Bergen To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of lukeabergen@gmail.com designates 209.85.212.46 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=lukeabergen@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: lukeabergen@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001636b147044d778904876d1105 Content-Length: 4480 --001636b147044d778904876d1105 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So xorxes, I've been waiting to hear you weigh in on this and am kind of disappointed that you didn't give an example of how you understand {loi birje} to work. What comes to mind when someone tells you {mi pinxe loi birje}? 2010/5/25 Jorge Llamb=EDas > On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Ian Johnson > wrote: > > > > But then in xorlo {lo birje} isn't "something which really is a beer" > > anymore (necessarily), but "one or more thing(s) associated with beer > > considered individually". > > Neither "associated with" nor "considered individually" sounds right. > I would say "lo birje" is just "beer". > > mi pinxe lo birje > "I drink beer." > > lo birje cu ta'e jikru lo bavmi > "Beer is generally brewed from barley." > > e'o ko dunda lo va birje mi > "Please give me that beer over there." > > mu'o mi'e xorxes > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Lojban Beginners" group. > To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com > . > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=3Den. > > --=20 You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "= Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@= googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban= -beginners?hl=3Den. --001636b147044d778904876d1105 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable So xorxes, I've been waiting to hear you weigh in on this and am kind o= f disappointed that you didn't give an example of how you understand {l= oi birje} to work. =A0What comes to mind when someone tells you {mi pinxe l= oi birje}?

2010/5/25 Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com>
On Tue, May 25, 2010 at 10:08 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote: >
> But then in xorlo {lo birje} isn't "something which really is= a beer"
> anymore (necessarily), but=A0"one or more thing(s) associated wit= h beer
> considered individually".

Neither "associated with" nor "considered individually= " sounds right.
I would say "lo birje" is just "beer".

=A0 mi pinxe lo birje
=A0 "I drink beer."

=A0 lo birje cu ta'e jikru lo bavmi
=A0 "Beer is generally brewed from barley."

=A0 e'o ko dunda lo va birje mi
=A0 "Please give me that beer over there."

mu'o mi'e xorxes

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