Received: from mail-px0-f189.google.com ([209.85.212.189]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OJIxs-0006SY-Rq; Mon, 31 May 2010 21:20:38 -0700 Received: by pxi12 with SMTP id 12sf1625771pxi.16 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 21:20:26 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:received:received:received:received :mime-version:received:received:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=1kwr5N2yzx8ROuCauAJ+rmL87uFtBJMwf7aIkTl7T2g=; b=1EoglCnBkDhJu0g6fJNSjms78TLv33djt3VGR1L07TBRZEBzVdnzDyDlutTGOeBHvx D1HW/QLaLrW31oe8v/New9IaPjbBTfwoDvADJlQXrouslK4eUj2GAGbTuK9r70cl2aXV Czvh3xP479fKZV9zQGfXno3jlKOpvEtb0pxj0= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:date:message-id:subject:from :to:x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=EJvitCoAzb8hXNo85g+G26rArWNAvQVIk/vGRjRVaa+RZpbRBHQT5EXhCzfYCuwUv4 0ucqldv5uo31MXaCPINFW4srdHYvcn4dYjYwThkoUosaO3We/SeBspG0L7utXiWqkhER 1CC0ZWlBpPiztiQivKQbKZTuO3xve1qqfdoCI= Received: by 10.115.101.32 with SMTP id d32mr321713wam.13.1275366024254; Mon, 31 May 2010 21:20:24 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.115.135.31 with SMTP id m31ls4915193wan.1.p; Mon, 31 May 2010 21:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.116.40 with SMTP id t40mr2091777wam.5.1275366022398; Mon, 31 May 2010 21:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.115.116.40 with SMTP id t40mr2091775wam.5.1275366022288; Mon, 31 May 2010 21:20:22 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net [69.17.117.50]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id e19si9376933wam.0.2010.05.31.21.20.21; Mon, 31 May 2010 21:20:21 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.50 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org) client-ip=69.17.117.50; Received: (qmail 8013 invoked from network); 1 Jun 2010 04:20:20 -0000 Received: from chain.digitalkingdom.org ([64.81.66.169]) (envelope-sender ) by mail6.sea5.speakeasy.net (qmail-ldap-1.03) with AES256-SHA encrypted SMTP for ; 1 Jun 2010 04:20:20 -0000 Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OJIxe-0006SH-TN for lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; Mon, 31 May 2010 21:20:19 -0700 Received: from mail-vw0-f53.google.com ([209.85.212.53]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OJIxb-0006Rf-GV for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 31 May 2010 21:20:18 -0700 Received: by vws9 with SMTP id 9so114974vws.40 for ; Mon, 31 May 2010 21:20:07 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.224.93.2 with SMTP id t2mr2085606qam.47.1275366007391; Mon, 31 May 2010 21:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.142.6 with HTTP; Mon, 31 May 2010 21:20:07 -0700 (PDT) Date: Tue, 1 Jun 2010 00:20:07 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: [lojban-beginners] Something is place xi because... From: Ian Johnson To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 69.17.117.50 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of nobody@digitalkingdom.org) smtp.mail=nobody@digitalkingdom.org; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: blindbravado@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=000feaf07cefd448cf0487f0493d Content-Length: 2622 --000feaf07cefd448cf0487f0493d Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Is there a (preferably compact) way to say not: {ko'a broda ko'e ko'i} because .... but instead: {ko'a broda ko'e ko'i} and {ko'i} is the x3 of broda because ... The specific situation I'm thinking of is with {pacna}, justifying why the x3 is what it is. I was saying something like "x1 hopes for x2 with expected outcome x3 and the expected outcome is what it is because ..." Saying that the {pacna} predicate as a whole is justified by this thing isn't quite right, because the x1 doesn't hope for x2 for that reason, and in fact the reason x1 would hope for x2 would probably be a {se mukti}, whereas this reason might be, say, a {se rinka} (perhaps if x1 hopes for a physical impossibility, which is what came up in this case). mu'o mi'e latros. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --000feaf07cefd448cf0487f0493d Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Is there a (preferably compact) way to say not:
{ko'a broda ko'e= ko'i} because ....
but instead:
{ko'a broda ko'e ko'= ;i} and {ko'i} is the x3 of broda because ...

The specific situa= tion I'm thinking of is with {pacna}, justifying why the x3 is what it = is. I was saying something like "x1 hopes for x2 with expected outcome= x3 and the expected outcome is what it is because ..." Saying that th= e {pacna} predicate as a whole is justified by this thing isn't quite r= ight, because the x1 doesn't hope for x2 for that reason, and in fact t= he reason x1 would hope for x2 would probably be a {se mukti}, whereas this= reason might be, say, a {se rinka} (perhaps if x1 hopes for a physical imp= ossibility, which is what came up in this case).

mu'o mi'e latros.

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