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On 7 May 2010 08:13, tijlan <jbotijlan@gmail.com> wrote:

> On 6 May 2010 20:34, Luke Bergen <lukeabergen@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> hmmm.  So tijlan, you say that you see {lo plise} as being an implicit
>> abstraction of the form {lo nu da plise}.  But then you say that it doesn't
>> make sense to say {mi nelci lo plise} because {lo plise} is not an
>> abstraction.  Pick a lane already  =p
>>
>
> I'm not saying that {mi nelci lo plise} doesn't make sense. I'm saying:
>
>  1) the assumption that "an object and an event are different" does not
> reflect what "an object" actually is
>
> and therefore
>
>  2) the assumption that some particular sumti should be *either* "an
> object" or "a state" does not make sense.
>

"state" and "event" are interchangeabale in this case.

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<div class=3D"gmail_quote">On 7 May 2010 08:13, tijlan <span dir=3D"ltr">&l=
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<div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div class=3D"im">On 6 May 2010 20:34, Luke Berg=
en <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:lukeabergen@gmail.com" target=3D=
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hmmm. =A0So tijlan, you say that you see {lo plise} as being an implicit ab=
straction of the form {lo nu da plise}. =A0But then you say that it doesn&#=
39;t make sense to say {mi nelci lo plise} because {lo plise} is not an abs=
traction. =A0Pick a lane already =A0=3Dp<br>

</blockquote></div><div><br>I&#39;m not saying that {mi nelci lo plise} doe=
sn&#39;t make sense. I&#39;m saying:<br><br>=A01) the assumption that &quot=
;an object and an event are different&quot; does not reflect what &quot;an =
object&quot; actually is<br>

<br>and therefore<br><br>=A02) the assumption that some particular sumti sh=
ould be *either* &quot;an object&quot; or &quot;a state&quot; does not make=
 sense.<br></div></div></blockquote><div><br>&quot;state&quot; and &quot;ev=
ent&quot; are interchangeabale in this case. <br>
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