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On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

> Is there a (preferably compact) way to say not:
> {ko'a broda ko'e ko'i} because ....
> but instead:
> {ko'a broda ko'e ko'i} and {ko'i} is the x3 of broda because ...
>
> The specific situation I'm thinking of is with {pacna}, justifying why the
> x3 is what it is. I was saying something like "x1 hopes for x2 with expected
> outcome x3 and the expected outcome is what it is because ..." Saying that
> the {pacna} predicate as a whole is justified by this thing isn't quite
> right, because the x1 doesn't hope for x2 for that reason, and in fact the
> reason x1 would hope for x2 would probably be a {se mukti}, whereas this
> reason might be, say, a {se rinka} (perhaps if x1 hopes for a physical
> impossibility, which is what came up in this case).
>
> mu'o mi'e latros.
>
>
  ko'a broda ko'e ko'i poi se rinka/mukti ...  Seems to be he most
straightforward, I guess, but your particular examples seems to not really
be what you want to say....

             --gejyspa

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<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Ian Joh=
nson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com">blindb=
ravado@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote"=
 style=3D"margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 2=
04); padding-left: 1ex;">
Is there a (preferably compact) way to say not:<br>{ko&#39;a broda ko&#39;e=
 ko&#39;i} because .... <br>but instead:<br>{ko&#39;a broda ko&#39;e ko&#39=
;i} and {ko&#39;i} is the x3 of broda because ...<br><br>The specific situa=
tion I&#39;m thinking of is with {pacna}, justifying why the x3 is what it =
is. I was saying something like &quot;x1 hopes for x2 with expected outcome=
 x3 and the expected outcome is what it is because ...&quot; Saying that th=
e {pacna} predicate as a whole is justified by this thing isn&#39;t quite r=
ight, because the x1 doesn&#39;t hope for x2 for that reason, and in fact t=
he reason x1 would hope for x2 would probably be a {se mukti}, whereas this=
 reason might be, say, a {se rinka} (perhaps if x1 hopes for a physical imp=
ossibility, which is what came up in this case).<br>

<br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e latros.<br><font color=3D"#888888">

<p></p>

</font></blockquote><div><br>=A0 ko&#39;a broda ko&#39;e ko&#39;i poi se ri=
nka/mukti ... =A0Seems to be he most straightforward, I guess, but your par=
ticular examples seems to not really be what you want to say....<br><br>=A0=
 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa<br>
<br>=A0</div></div>

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