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Never mind; Jorge's solution seems just fine.

mu'o mi'e latros.

On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com> wrote:

> Can you explain a little more about them not being what I want to say?
>
> Also, how does that work exactly? The x3 itself is justified, but here the
> x3 would be a number (in my example 0)...in what sense can 0 be justified?
>
>
> mu'o mi'e latros.
>
> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:31 AM, Michael Turniansky <mturniansky@gmail.com>wrote:
>
>>
>>
>> On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Ian Johnson <blindbravado@gmail.com>wrote:
>>
>>> Is there a (preferably compact) way to say not:
>>> {ko'a broda ko'e ko'i} because ....
>>> but instead:
>>> {ko'a broda ko'e ko'i} and {ko'i} is the x3 of broda because ...
>>>
>>> The specific situation I'm thinking of is with {pacna}, justifying why
>>> the x3 is what it is. I was saying something like "x1 hopes for x2 with
>>> expected outcome x3 and the expected outcome is what it is because ..."
>>> Saying that the {pacna} predicate as a whole is justified by this thing
>>> isn't quite right, because the x1 doesn't hope for x2 for that reason, and
>>> in fact the reason x1 would hope for x2 would probably be a {se mukti},
>>> whereas this reason might be, say, a {se rinka} (perhaps if x1 hopes for a
>>> physical impossibility, which is what came up in this case).
>>>
>>> mu'o mi'e latros.
>>>
>>>
>>   ko'a broda ko'e ko'i poi se rinka/mukti ...  Seems to be he most
>> straightforward, I guess, but your particular examples seems to not really
>> be what you want to say....
>>
>>              --gejyspa
>>
>>
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Never mind; Jorge&#39;s solution seems just fine.<br><br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e =
latros.<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 2:06 PM, I=
an Johnson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com">=
blindbravado@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">Can you explain a=
 little more about them not being what I want to say?<br><br>Also, how does=
 that work exactly? The x3 itself is justified, but here the x3 would be a =
number (in my example 0)...in what sense can 0 be justified?<div class=3D"i=
m">
<br>
<br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e latros.<br><br></div><div><div></div><div class=3D"h5=
"><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 6:31 AM, Michael Turnia=
nsky <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:mturniansky@gmail.com" target=
=3D"_blank">mturniansky@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br>
<blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, =
204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<br><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote"><div>On Tue, Jun 1, 2010 at 12:20 AM, Ia=
n Johnson <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:blindbravado@gmail.com" t=
arget=3D"_blank">blindbravado@gmail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquot=
e class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204);=
 margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">


Is there a (preferably compact) way to say not:<br>{ko&#39;a broda ko&#39;e=
 ko&#39;i} because .... <br>but instead:<br>{ko&#39;a broda ko&#39;e ko&#39=
;i} and {ko&#39;i} is the x3 of broda because ...<br><br>The specific situa=
tion I&#39;m thinking of is with {pacna}, justifying why the x3 is what it =
is. I was saying something like &quot;x1 hopes for x2 with expected outcome=
 x3 and the expected outcome is what it is because ...&quot; Saying that th=
e {pacna} predicate as a whole is justified by this thing isn&#39;t quite r=
ight, because the x1 doesn&#39;t hope for x2 for that reason, and in fact t=
he reason x1 would hope for x2 would probably be a {se mukti}, whereas this=
 reason might be, say, a {se rinka} (perhaps if x1 hopes for a physical imp=
ossibility, which is what came up in this case).<br>



<br>mu&#39;o mi&#39;e latros.<br><font color=3D"#888888">

<p></p>

</font></blockquote></div><div><br>=A0 ko&#39;a broda ko&#39;e ko&#39;i poi=
 se rinka/mukti ... =A0Seems to be he most straightforward, I guess, but yo=
ur particular examples seems to not really be what you want to say....<br>

<br>=A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0 =A0--gejyspa<br>
<br>=A0</div></div><div><div></div><div>

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