Received: from mail-vw0-f61.google.com ([209.85.212.61]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OLSoq-0004Hb-C0; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 20:16:16 -0700 Received: by vws4 with SMTP id 4sf864379vws.16 for ; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 20:16:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:received:received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent :references:in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; bh=x31fT3CMORBn+BBL8ZmrZ47O3vumuMn8I6J4IEIZIQU=; b=SSjLVU6qlxWVA+pNbb/QNCCuIMsBl0ZV5QCUwWJKe01gDIYhvL1YTid0zy2jOv+0LQ ylNaWMxgP/9qGRu2ULjLvQi7H2nUWx5iJepq7vke48QqmzZsWceIKr6sdHQkayPGfY/T vl/26S46BUG0sqDsFDGMHVb0bE/1JaxmpTY7A= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:x-authority-analysis:x-cloudmark-score :x-originating-ip:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:references :in-reply-to:mime-version:message-id :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type :content-disposition; b=YbmOMIHXXhdFTyq9G7p0GQ5L89GtDdp5wvTa9+f6rINp4aQOue4SR4qWh6pbdunFlq AnomjEBpyRAsdUU5DrVCe2RkkhcWZh0IFCPUzvQQAg9p7XM26cTPrSbmmL03lxp+R+7J k0XUCyZ27phW03uvWoXIBwfTv9cGLeM0V8DKQ= Received: by 10.220.158.76 with SMTP id e12mr766852vcx.40.1275880559439; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 20:15:59 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.220.79.85 with SMTP id o21ls4107572vck.0.p; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 20:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.198.140 with SMTP id eo12mr224655vcb.17.1275880558363; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 20:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.220.198.140 with SMTP id eo12mr224654vcb.17.1275880558336; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 20:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received: from cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com (cdptpa-omtalb.mail.rr.com [75.180.132.120]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id a29si2426040vcp.4.2010.06.06.20.15.58; Sun, 06 Jun 2010 20:15:58 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) client-ip=75.180.132.120; X-Authority-Analysis: v=1.1 cv=DA6XDZ/syCP48ufzhh+Ja8jUVdbWZPhOKjvaiqcYqHw= c=1 sm=0 a=ZvxvA_5izssA:10 a=0qYQvVkOOIcA:10 a=ORa4HqFjfvEA:10 a=8nJEP1OIZ-IA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:17 a=b9E8Ihl75qU_Pq31fW8A:9 a=S4aYk-RGxkiVlCNgBzYf6m_7DAAA:4 a=wPNLvfGTeEIA:10 a=ITGCJgwGTuG7H/gKGaarIQ==:117 X-Cloudmark-Score: 0 X-Originating-IP: 71.71.198.100 Received: from [71.71.198.100] ([71.71.198.100:50289] helo=chausie) by cdptpa-oedge03.mail.rr.com (envelope-from ) (ecelerity 2.2.2.39 r()) with ESMTP id CB/C4-17309-C646C0C4; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 03:15:57 +0000 Received: from localhost (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by chausie (Postfix) with ESMTP id 793FC633B for ; Sun, 6 Jun 2010 23:15:56 -0400 (EDT) From: Pierre Abbat To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojbanic coffee mug Date: Sun, 6 Jun 2010 23:15:50 -0400 User-Agent: KMail/1.9.6 (enterprise 0.20070907.709405) References: In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Message-Id: <201006062315.53739.phma@phma.optus.nu> X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=neutral (google.com: 75.180.132.120 is neither permitted nor denied by best guess record for domain of phma@phma.optus.nu) smtp.mail=phma@phma.optus.nu X-Original-Sender: phma@phma.optus.nu Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Disposition: inline Content-Length: 1012 On Sunday 06 June 2010 15:48:25 lubekano3 wrote: > I think I understand the need for an ".i". (I guess I imagined 'title' > and 'subtitle' as two utterances, which is probably not a good idea.) > Why, on the other hand, would one drop the "le"? I thought it > necessary to make clear that this is just 'a' coffee mug, not coffee > mugs in general. Lojban is a predicate-oriented language, so it's generally more natural to use a bridi for a title, rather than a sumti. In this case, though, it has to be a sumti, as "kafkabri po la .ieskos" is ungrammatical. Pierre -- li ze te'a ci vu'u ci bi'e te'a mu du li ci su'i ze te'a mu bi'e vu'u ci -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en.