Received: from mail-yw0-f142.google.com ([209.85.211.142]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1OLbhJ-0004kx-Ov; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 05:45:07 -0700 Received: by ywh6 with SMTP id 6sf8954064ywh.17 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 05:44:50 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=domainkey-signature:received:x-beenthere:received:received:received :received:received-spf:received:mime-version:received:received :in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :x-original-authentication-results:x-original-sender:reply-to :precedence:mailing-list:list-id:list-post:list-help:list-archive :sender:list-subscribe:list-unsubscribe:content-type; bh=gSDtKe1yqDLXbSJvcl7Hhs8LRZTlvl9l6twLCQLkhtg=; b=XXcQH9XnJMbEy+dxjcj6qtZzCti2pXTCoz0IPq3+A1BsLPlB9PYjEv5lmzEEkxuE0B 5RKhy78FUvG9SBgQmq2R9+6k4r1TmeOKw0a+O1oZw7nL38KU0ve/j2JWfGvyE4PR9UKY fh9LMfkVVzlSgOFL64wi3X8P32uONIEc89+54= DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=googlegroups.com; s=beta; h=x-beenthere:received-spf:mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date :message-id:subject:from:to:x-original-authentication-results :x-original-sender:reply-to:precedence:mailing-list:list-id :list-post:list-help:list-archive:sender:list-subscribe :list-unsubscribe:content-type; b=ckDMMMiPKYwVZv6PcFfNMg2fZ/84pmmXa1aEW9vSSyhnvrk0TQ1Y0fi0mDyekQvpV+ PHw7xc0Fn9i4v0BXn6RA7FTf9Ca3XkybNiIylDvYdQn3S9PKS+TJnWSg2hGnSx+5uADT P4n9vMacrMWKsOxaJkXREYGes6SS/0fY8NzGo= Received: by 10.151.1.1 with SMTP id d1mr763726ybi.12.1275914687410; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 05:44:47 -0700 (PDT) X-BeenThere: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Received: by 10.150.234.22 with SMTP id g22ls3476955ybh.7.p; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 05:44:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.167.27 with SMTP id p27mr423994ybe.2.1275914686913; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 05:44:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.150.167.27 with SMTP id p27mr423993ybe.2.1275914686864; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 05:44:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from mail-gw0-f47.google.com (mail-gw0-f47.google.com [74.125.83.47]) by gmr-mx.google.com with ESMTP id v4si6723602ybe.5.2010.06.07.05.44.45; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 05:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Received-SPF: pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.47 as permitted sender) client-ip=74.125.83.47; Received: by gwb20 with SMTP id 20so1153429gwb.20 for ; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 05:44:45 -0700 (PDT) MIME-Version: 1.0 Received: by 10.229.186.18 with SMTP id cq18mr2244444qcb.266.1275914685270; Mon, 07 Jun 2010 05:44:45 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.229.141.138 with HTTP; Mon, 7 Jun 2010 05:44:45 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <201006062315.53739.phma@phma.optus.nu> References: <201006062315.53739.phma@phma.optus.nu> Date: Mon, 7 Jun 2010 08:44:45 -0400 Message-ID: Subject: Re: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojbanic coffee mug From: Michael Turniansky To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com X-Original-Authentication-Results: gmr-mx.google.com; spf=pass (google.com: domain of mturniansky@gmail.com designates 74.125.83.47 as permitted sender) smtp.mail=mturniansky@gmail.com; dkim=pass (test mode) header.i=@gmail.com X-Original-Sender: mturniansky@gmail.com Reply-To: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com Precedence: list Mailing-list: list lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com; contact lojban-beginners+owners@googlegroups.com List-ID: List-Post: , List-Help: , List-Archive: Sender: lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com List-Subscribe: , List-Unsubscribe: , Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=00163630f34b9449e80488700986 Content-Length: 3031 --00163630f34b9449e80488700986 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Pierre Abbat wrote: > On Sunday 06 June 2010 15:48:25 lubekano3 wrote: > > I think I understand the need for an ".i". (I guess I imagined 'title' > > and 'subtitle' as two utterances, which is probably not a good idea.) > > Why, on the other hand, would one drop the "le"? I thought it > > necessary to make clear that this is just 'a' coffee mug, not coffee > > mugs in general. > > Lojban is a predicate-oriented language, so it's generally more natural to > use > a bridi for a title, rather than a sumti. In this case, though, it has to > be > a sumti, as "kafkabri po la .ieskos" is ungrammatical. > > Pierre > Absolutely right.. Sorry.... I should have said "kafkabri fi'o ponse la ieskos" --gejyspa -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Lojban Beginners" group. To post to this group, send email to lojban-beginners@googlegroups.com. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to lojban-beginners+unsubscribe@googlegroups.com. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/lojban-beginners?hl=en. --00163630f34b9449e80488700986 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Sun, Jun 6, 2010 at 11:15 PM, Pierre = Abbat <phma@phma= .optus.nu> wrote:
On Sunday 06 June 2010 15:48:25 lubekano3 wrote:
> I think I understand the need for an ".i". (I guess I imagin= ed 'title'
> and 'subtitle' as two utterances, which is probably not a good= idea.)
> Why, on the other hand, would one drop the "le"? I thought i= t
> necessary to make clear that this is just 'a' coffee mug, not = coffee
> mugs in general.

Lojban is a predicate-oriented language, so it's generally more n= atural to use
a bridi for a title, rather than a sumti. In this case, though, it has to b= e
a sumti, as "kafkabri po la .ieskos" is ungrammatical.

Pierre

=A0Absolutely right.. Sorry.... I sho= uld have said "kafkabri fi'o ponse la ieskos"
=A0 =A0 =A0= =A0 --gejyspa
=A0

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